NATO Proposes $100 Billion, Five-Year Fund to Aid Ukraine

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Doesn't it take only 1 of the counties with veto power to shut this down? Why would Russia ever approve?

Edit: Had a brain fart. Thanks for the corrections. Leaving my dumb comment anyway.

NATO. Not the UN. Russia has no say into nato since it was designed to fit Russia.
- designed to fit Russia.
  Luckily Russia isn't fit.
- Never ask a man their wage, never ask a woman their age, never ask who started NATO and why.
Russia isn't in NATO, but they are it's most successful recruiter.
- Which is why I'm baffled why people still spread the myth that Russia invaded to 'stop nato aggression.'
  Like, firstly you're fucking wrong, but if you want to wear that L like a medal then go for it. Russia is the biggest reason the baltics joined.
NATO not the UN, Russia isn’t a member.
Who gave Russia a veto at NATO?
- Turkey 🇹🇷.
  /s
- SO UN FAIR!

That's 20 billion per year. The EU's alone defense spending for 2023 was 270bil. This is not a lot of money.

The EU has no defense budget, the member countries have.
- Obviously.
Yeah, this is less the cavalry is here and more "we've committed 3 peanuts, which is better than no peanuts". It's probably enough to help Ukraine a bit, assuming they can agree to it and fund it as committed.
It's unclear if this is humanitarian, non-lethal or general military aid, from the non-paywalled section of the article.
I get your point about how it compares relatively. But I beg to differ that $100 billion is not a lot of money

I know NATO doesn't have unlimited resources, but given that this is an explicit proxy war with Russia, doesn't $100bn seem kind of paltry? That makes it appear that they're planning on continuing cash infusions from the US.

EDIT: I'm saying that the US can't be relied on to continue supporting the war effort because the GOP in particular has become increasingly opposed to funding it.
It'd be so much better for everyone if we just took all of the funding going to Israel and redirected it to Ukraine. And then we nuke Israel or smthn idk
- Chaotic good?
might be chump change for you but likely its tied to Ukraine's conceivable ability to pay down such debt. although in reality it would likely be mostly written off when things quiet down.. especially since the moneys would be mostly spent on NATO military goods.
- Well IIRC, for America, the funding money amount for Ukraine is usually just an estimate of the worth of already manufactured goods, mainly of weapons that we have stored that we weren't gonna use in the first place, and only a small portion of the dollar amount is stuff like clothes, food, etc. which would be seen as an actual cost to the US. We have sent Bradleys and M1 Abrams (and some European countries sent Leopard 2A4s? and Leclercs I think), but I'm pretty sure they weren't in use by the military and weren't planned to be upgraded for use any time soon (but I'm just guessing, I can't Google it rn, I may just be completely wrong on that).
Maybe a little. The US had a bill for providing 60bn so 100bn is quite a bit more, though maybe not significantly considering all the countries involved.
This thing has already been going on for 2 years and Russia isn't pulling out. It's a war of attrition. First side to blink loses. NATO cannot lose Ukraine to Russia. Period.
- NATO cannot lose Ukraine to Russia. Period.
  They, in fact, can.
We can do both.

221 days until the next U.S. presidential election

Can Ukraine hold on that long?

If Republicans have a majority in Congress, they'll continue to support Russia.
- something theyre extremely near losing before next election
- Who is the US is actually supporting Russia?
Five years? They need $100 billion at least monthly! It's ridiculous the way Republicans treat these innocent people

The problem NATO has with this proxy war can't be solved by printing money. The issue lies in the lack of industrial production in the west, and you can't just create a huge industry for producing weapons and ammunition out of whole cloth.

This will be a fantastic vehicle for pushing for austerity in Europe though. The oligarchs have been very upset that Europeans enjoy a social safety net and things like pensions. The need for massive military spending will be a perfect justification for stripping these rights away from the workers. Europeans are about to start enjoying American style freedoms.

what too much finance capital does to a mf
warning to all, this guy does nothing but spread russian propaganda all day. check their post history.
- Who ya gonna call?
- That's right, I spread Russian propaganda as reported by mainstream western media.
Who said anything about printing money? NATO manages trillions upon trillions of dollars of already in circulation currency.
- That money is already allocated, it's not just sitting there in a big pile collecting dust.
Industrial production is not a significant issue the collective West has within the context of supplying Ukraine armaments and ammunition.
The issue is a lack of, or decline in, domestic political capital in key member states, cohesive unified policy, and a long term strategy.
Now, if the United States was completely removed from the equation, then industrial production capacity constraints, especially around munitions, may become a real issue.
- lol CNN disagrees with you there bud https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/10/politics/russia-artillery-shell-production-us-europe-ukraine/index.html

That has a considerable risk of backfiring. If Putin dies, the people right next in line to take the helm are the ultra-nationalist fash in charge of the Russian State. If one of those suddenly takes control of Russia, and realizes that they're fighting an unpopular war without having the backing of actually being Putin, it becomes far more likely that they do something extremely stupid such as launching nuclear weapons, which would be terrible for everyone.
- The US would love to get a fascist like Navalny in charge, because they would let the US reconvene the neoliberal shock therapy plundering of Russia that Putin had put the kibosh on.
- Ah yes, and knowing that your leader was just killed would also instill fear that they would be next. Right now they all think they are untouchable, that should change
chances are he has dementia

In other news: Zelenskiy signed a bill on Tuesday to lower the mobilisation age for combat duty from 27 to 25 https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraines-zelenskiy-signs-bill-lowering-mobilisation-age-combat-duty-25-2024-04-02/

So what we have here is nothing else than wholesale purchase of cannon fodder.

Every dollar that goes to funding nazis in Ukraine for a war they have no chance of winning is a dollar that can't go towards funding genocide in the middle east. Of course that money should be going into public services instead, but as if they are ever going to allow that to happen.

EDIT: NATO nazis were fast to pounce on this one, HA!

lol the NAFO brigades
- If I ever need to blow off some steam I'll go to NonCredibleDefense and start blocking everyone I see. Not quite at that point yet.
- "Don't fund genocide"
  "Snk, must be a communist"
That condescending tone of yours paints the whole Ukraine with a nazi brush. While I believe it does reach azov battalion, the vast majority of Ukrainian army and goverment are not nazis, despite what RT might call them. In fact, I think funding to Ukraine should Increase so it can finally defeat Russia. Not only it would likely destabilize russian goverment, which consists of oil billionaires with a past of crime, corrupt bootlickers and, honestly, unapologetic nazis. But it also would disrupt russian funding for alt-right groups all over the world, which would be a major win against nazism.
- No Nazis here
- That would have been a good point when the war was just started going, but we know better than that now. If you can't see what Ukraine was all about at this point than i'm afraid there's nothing I can say to change your mind.

Imagine spending 100 billions on something more useful

- Sovereignty of a nation
  Donetsk and Luhansk Republics
  ethnic group’s right not to be genocided by their neighbor
  Ethnic Russians in Ukraine
- genocided
  Liberals really have successfully robbed the word genocide of any and all meaning through over use.
  An act that has actively made it easier for Israel to commit an actual genocide, incidentally.
- Also, even if it wasnt a war of extermination:
  Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons in exchange for protection. Do you think anyone else is going to be dumb enough to do that in the future?
If someone invaded your country, would you still have the same opinion? If Trump invaded your country(assuming you are not an american), would you still say "why are we spending billions to fight Trump, when we could have spent them on education and housing?".
- If my country was a Nazi shithole then I'd have the same opinion yes. If my country was one of the most corrupt states in the world and run by a puppet fascist government of the USA, then yes, I'd have the same opinion. if my country's puppet rulers did everything they could to provoke an invasion and then cry about it then I wouldn't have any sympathy.
- USA has active military bases with nukes pretty much all over europe, technically they already invaded my country. There's hundreds of USA military planes alone flying over europe daily. If russia, china or anyone else would give 100 billions to any corrupted fascist government in europe that would still be a bad thing because ultimately it wouldn't change anything for people.
How else would defense contractors make money?
I know, right? Like, who the fuck needs democracy and sovereignty? If they didn't want to be part of Russia, then they should have just said so. Has Velinsky tried talking to the justly elected Putin? This 100 billion could be spent on rebuilding all the housing in Ukrane that was blown up by Russia DEFENDING its self from the Ukrainian troops invading Ukraine. This could be 100 billion dollars in food aid spread around the world in the form of Ukrainian grain shipments that have been stalled or sunk, but Ukraine has CHOSEN to stop shipping their grain by blocking their own barges and trucks.this could have been 100 billion dollars in CLEAN oil that Russia could have been exporting to help the world with energy, but instead will have to rebuild because the plants keep blowing up. If only there was a solution that would let the world move on and spend their money on better things. If only we would just give in to Russia and let them take what they want at the expense of others- then the world would be a better place.
- I know, right? Like, who the fuck needs democracy and sovereignty?
  Sending 100 billions to the corrupted government of a military state under martial law where no man between 18 and 60 can leave it's funding whatever is the opposite of democracy.
  Seem like ukrainian government choose indeed something when they decided to play international war games. Not that this justify anything but keep in mind where these billions are going to.
  https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html

I hope my president does the right thing for once and vetos this thing.

Why would a Russian care?
- I'm Turkish and Turkey is in NATO.. We have a veto.