Ace people? Yes. Pedophiles? No. It’s that simple.
Pedophiles are not a sexual minority, they are people who need professional help so that they don't harm children.
They are definitely a sexual minority but i agree that an exception to acceptance can and should be made for behaviour that is harmful to others.
FINALLY someone who doesn't just pass pedophiles to the side as if they are not human...
Professional help that really doesn't exist because society isn't interested in actually preventing child abuse.
Why is that so difficult for people to grasp…
In the 1990s (the last time I read the DSM IV regarding pedophilia) behavior, that is, actual child sexual assault or behavioral efforts towards doing so (e.g. sitting down with & Chris Hansen on Dateline ) were essential symptoms for the diagnostic.
That may have changed in the DSM V, but I don't know. In common dialogue, pedophilia was extended to a wider range of cases (those who have developmental experimentation fantasies, those who engage in age play, etc.) By the 2010s, a 23 year old with a 17 year old girlfriend (a statutory rape edge case) would be considered pedo.¹
By the late 2010s, LGBT+ folk were considered groomers for letting kids know some of their peers might have two mommies or two daddies. QAnon was offering conspiracy stories about politicians in the Democratic Party that were part of a pedo sex ring, resulting in an active gunman shooting up Comet Ping Pong, a pizzaria.
Meanwhile the same people seeking to kill gays and trans folk as degenerate child predators were happy to cover for Roy Moore and Matt Gaetz, showing us once again it's less about kids as it is demonizing undesirables, or enemies of the transnational white power movement.
As per with all other actual concerns for kids, the worey about child sexual predators only rose once it was decided people who weren't white men should have bodily autonomy. Once husbands required consent from wives (in the 1970s) and unmarried women were allowed to consent or not consent, did we care about if anyone was fucking children. We assumed it was dads sampling their daughters, which should have been covered by incest laws. Then we went through a stranger danger (🚐🍬🍭) before finding that other adult authorities (teachers, ministers, police) were taking advantage of their access to kids.
We may still be processing societal guilt for ignoring kids... while still arranging child labor and child marriages in some states.
¹ A rant of mine: This edge case drops to a 17 year old and an 18 year old if the teens getting it on if they are the same sex. Romeo and Juliet laws often do not apply to same sex cases
Is it because society decided that they need to be treated with disgust because of something they don't have control over, something they were born with, who they are?
No it's because they target children ?
I don't think it was society, but more so a bias in media to portray paedophiles with co-morbid psychopathy as THE paedophile. In reality most satisfy themselves with cartoons, fanfics, etc. and only rarely is there also co-morbidity enabling them to harm children. Certainly not an expert though, and mainly citing my first year psych professor.
Nope, it’s because they’re not looking for the same goals as LGBTQ+: a world where they can safely love whom they might love and where they can safely express who they are and their romantic and sexual desires or lack thereof to the same degree straight cis people do without persecution.
Whereas moral pedophiles would not want a world where they can actualize their romantic and sexual desires, so there’s no reason to form a coalition. Honestly, they’d probably do better with sociopaths who don’t hurt people, but I can’t see that playing well politically.
Those are clear cut examples, I think, but there are others that aren't.
For example, I don't think Furries should be included in there but I have heard some people do consider them as part of the +.
like most of these things, depends on context I think. being a furry is technically something different and not inherently sexual, however furries are treated as such and also overlap a lot with other queer communities. so there's lots of solidarity to find there. same goes for lots of neurodivergent folks too.
Whenever someone talks about sexual minorities I want to bring up intersex folk (or as I like to call them, intersexies). I am so sick of the two gender debate, it’s not even grounded in reality.
Ace people? Yes. Pedophiles? No. It’s that simple.
Pedophiles are not a sexual minority, they are people who need professional help so that they don't harm children.
They are definitely a sexual minority but i agree that an exception to acceptance can and should be made for behaviour that is harmful to others.
FINALLY someone who doesn't just pass pedophiles to the side as if they are not human...
Professional help that really doesn't exist because society isn't interested in actually preventing child abuse.
Why is that so difficult for people to grasp…
In the 1990s (the last time I read the DSM IV regarding pedophilia) behavior, that is, actual child sexual assault or behavioral efforts towards doing so (e.g. sitting down with & Chris Hansen on Dateline ) were essential symptoms for the diagnostic.
That may have changed in the DSM V, but I don't know. In common dialogue, pedophilia was extended to a wider range of cases (those who have developmental experimentation fantasies, those who engage in age play, etc.) By the 2010s, a 23 year old with a 17 year old girlfriend (a statutory rape edge case) would be considered pedo.¹
By the late 2010s, LGBT+ folk were considered groomers for letting kids know some of their peers might have two mommies or two daddies. QAnon was offering conspiracy stories about politicians in the Democratic Party that were part of a pedo sex ring, resulting in an active gunman shooting up Comet Ping Pong, a pizzaria.
Meanwhile the same people seeking to kill gays and trans folk as degenerate child predators were happy to cover for Roy Moore and Matt Gaetz, showing us once again it's less about kids as it is demonizing undesirables, or enemies of the transnational white power movement.
As per with all other actual concerns for kids, the worey about child sexual predators only rose once it was decided people who weren't white men should have bodily autonomy. Once husbands required consent from wives (in the 1970s) and unmarried women were allowed to consent or not consent, did we care about if anyone was fucking children. We assumed it was dads sampling their daughters, which should have been covered by incest laws. Then we went through a stranger danger (🚐🍬🍭) before finding that other adult authorities (teachers, ministers, police) were taking advantage of their access to kids.
We may still be processing societal guilt for ignoring kids... while still arranging child labor and child marriages in some states.
¹ A rant of mine: This edge case drops to a 17 year old and an 18 year old if the teens getting it on if they are the same sex. Romeo and Juliet laws often do not apply to same sex cases
Is it because society decided that they need to be treated with disgust because of something they don't have control over, something they were born with, who they are?
No it's because they target children ?
I don't think it was society, but more so a bias in media to portray paedophiles with co-morbid psychopathy as THE paedophile. In reality most satisfy themselves with cartoons, fanfics, etc. and only rarely is there also co-morbidity enabling them to harm children. Certainly not an expert though, and mainly citing my first year psych professor.
Nope, it’s because they’re not looking for the same goals as LGBTQ+: a world where they can safely love whom they might love and where they can safely express who they are and their romantic and sexual desires or lack thereof to the same degree straight cis people do without persecution.
Whereas moral pedophiles would not want a world where they can actualize their romantic and sexual desires, so there’s no reason to form a coalition. Honestly, they’d probably do better with sociopaths who don’t hurt people, but I can’t see that playing well politically.
Those are clear cut examples, I think, but there are others that aren't.
For example, I don't think Furries should be included in there but I have heard some people do consider them as part of the +.
like most of these things, depends on context I think. being a furry is technically something different and not inherently sexual, however furries are treated as such and also overlap a lot with other queer communities. so there's lots of solidarity to find there. same goes for lots of neurodivergent folks too.