Voters Doubt Biden’s Leadership and Favor Trump, Times/Siena Poll Finds
Voters Doubt Biden’s Leadership and Favor Trump, Times/Siena Poll Finds
Unreliable poll, perhaps shouldn’t be trusted. See op-ed here https://lemmy.world/post/12773276
Less than half of the country wants Trump or Biden.
Wrong way to read it. Of the polled people, more want Trump than Biden
Possibly unreliable poll, see here https://lemmy.world/post/12773276
Who was polled? People that voted in the primaries. Why would democrats show up to a primary unless they wanted Biden to lose? This article is sensational bullshit.
Only 23 percent of Democratic primary voters said they were enthusiastic about Mr. Biden — half the share of Republicans who said they were about Mr. Trump. Significantly more Democrats said they were either dissatisfied or angry at Mr. Biden being the leader of the party (32 percent) than Republicans who said the same about Mr. Trump (18 percent)
Raise your hand if you or anyone you know was polled. There’s no way Trump is gaining voters. The only way he wins is if Democrats stay home and don’t vote.
We’re fucked.
A straight-up nationwide poll is less significant than what polls in swing states are doing.
Trump is ahead there as well, but that's what's going to matter in terms of the election, not nationwide polling.
Show me one shred of evidence that Trump is ahead in swing states that isn’t some poorly orchestrated poll. Election Day is the only day that matters, every thing else is propaganda.
Not necessarily, things can change quickly. Organizing voters matter.
So does alienating them, which is where the bulk of the effort seems to be going.
I hope so. Christ on a shitstick.
Oh yeah we are....
Remember- most people don't even start really paying attention to the election until the end of the summer.
After the shit show that was polling with 2016, I seriously doubt any polls get much valid data now. Or that it holds long enough to change anything. The crazy way our system is set up, there's like IDK, maybe 100,000 people who basically vote randomly each election that makes the difference. In 2024 I have to think if in March you're still voting Trump, he could probably show up, rape your wife and daughter and you'd still think come November, better than Biden.
On the Democratic side, I can't actually think what policy position would make you think Trump would get you closer to your desired goals. I know the media doesn't like to talk about it, but it's not like Trump is any more with it. At least Biden is getting confused between 2 ongoing crisis that exist while Trump is randomly talking about magnets and water. You can't convince me one is sharper than the other or in better health, or more likely to live out a 4 year term.
It's more about who's actually showing up to vote, and in that case I think Biden has the uphill battle because for reasons that escape me, Trump gets people more excited.
and in that case I think Biden has the uphill battle because for reasons that escape me
Mostly because he sucks. Gaza and the border are the two big things depressing turnout this voter cycle (the former doesn't need explanation, and many people were gonna vote for him specifically so the latter doesn't happen), and he's just not doing enough to make people want to vote for him.
This should make all of the people who insist that anyone criticising Biden is supporting Trump think again. How is he going to win if we just pretend he's awesome while nobody actually believes it?
"Trump would be worse" is not the compelling political platform you seem to think it is.
How is he going to win if we just pretend he's awesome while nobody actually believes it?
I mean, we've been trying to do that with the economy for at least two years.
No shit, but I don't think anyone has argued that Biden is an exciting candidate. His administration, other than supporting Israel (along with 90% of the rest of the US political establishment, for like the past 60 years) and some missteps on labor rights, has been competent. Considering that the next President, barring some very surprising development, WILL be either Trump or Biden, all people have been saying is that it sure doesn't help to make people who would vote against Trump or for Biden more apathetic or disillusioned. Nobody said "anyone criticising Biden is supporting Trump", because they haven't said that, in fact, those people seem to forget Trump exists at all. It's a matter of de facto supporting trump by discouraging the Democratic vote. If Biden would step aside and someone else could run, great. If not, talking shit about Biden absolutely helps Trump.
Nobody said "anyone criticising Biden is supporting Trump"
People absolutely say that on Lemmy, at least.
It's a matter of de facto supporting trump by discouraging the Democratic vote. If Biden would step aside and someone else could run, great. If not, talking shit about Biden absolutely helps Trump.
This would be a great point if it looked like Biden was going to win. But as things stand, he's behind in the polls. So we should be criticising to make him better. You know, if you actually want to stop Trump.
Unless you have some history idk about you're getting downvotes because some lefties think not engaging with reality will make it go away. I hate trump as much as any sane person, and understand he cannot win or the country might be lost, but Biden and the Democrats are floundering in the face of an existential threat (well, multiple existential threats) and ignoring that won't just magically turn voters blue.
Apparently Biden also wants Trump to win..
Polls are mostly just push advertising ATM.
I am pro-immigration, but I can’t deny that most immigrants coming to the U.S. are from conservative backgrounds and so it’s no wonder that results like the one in this poll happen.
Edit possibly unreliable poll, see op ed here: https://lemmy.world/post/12773276
Not buying it and certainly not clicking on it. I've never heard of Siena and the Times is so conservative they only make right turns on the drive home from work. Trump hasn't won a popular vote yet.