'I Think We Should Kill 'Em All,' GOP Rep. Andy Ogles Says of Palestinians in Gaza
'I Think We Should Kill 'Em All,' GOP Rep. Andy Ogles Says of Palestinians in Gaza
Can YOU, a regular citizen, openly declare your desire to commit genocide and still retain YOUR job?
Fortunately, the wealthy aren't a race of people, so it isn't considered genocide if I begrudgingly devour each and every one of them for the good of mankind. Checkmate moralists.
Commonly genocide is associated with race in media, but the legal definition is broader in the UN Genocide Convention: "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". The wealthy can be easily associated with specific national groups. Check the case of Pol-Pot en Cambodia for a rather extreme example.
The people I work with sure can.
Turns out yes, things can get much worse for Palestinians if Republicans win in November.
I'm not from America. I only know Trump and Biden. Are republicans trump side?
Yes
When I hear things like Dearborn MI is voting for Trump, there's a sick part of me that wants to see what would happen if the Arab community was the reason Trump got into power.
Like, I understand that you're very angry with the current situation but are you actually going to ruin your life and that of millions of your supposed brothers in the middle east to express that anger? Do people forget what Trump did as soon as he was in office last time?
If both parties are going to genocide Arabs while they're in charge, the blood is on their hands and no one else's. Only assholes and morons will blame Arabs in the US for the massacre of Palestinians.
Things can get much better for palestinians if nobody votes for red or blue
They won't win.
Good thing Genocide Joe is doing his best to kill all Palestinians before then.
This is hate speech and illegal in my country.
It should be illegal in any country.
Sadly, in the U.S., "freedom of speech" has become almost totally meaningless. Our supreme court decided that money is speech, which is why we now have things called political action committees (PACs) which aren't supposed to work with campaigns wink wink, nudge nudge and can raise unlimited funds from anyone anywhere in the world legally. Unsurprisingly, Trump's PAC has been paying his legal bills.
Freedom of speech in America means the freedom to call for, advocate for, and organize violence against anyone you like so long as they aren't white and/or Christian.
If you say violence is bad, or call for violence against those Advocating for and organizing violence though - THEN it's hate speech.
speech should not be illegal, everyone should be free to say what they want. If you don't like what someone is saying don't fucking vote for them. Protest against israel are already illegal in many countries, that's what not having free speech brings you.
Andy that's genocide.
Andy says, "darn tootin' it is!"
You can tell the press is broken when he isn't permanently called a "Genocide Enthusiast" or something similar by the press for as long as he lives.
And this is exactly what will happen if Trump is re-elected.
It's happening right now
No, they are not all being killed. There are about 2 million innocent people in the entire Strip. Death figures according to the Gazan Health Ministry are around 30,000 currently.
It's not impossible though, it's been attempted before in history, by ethno-nationalist asshats just like Netanyahu's supporters.
This can get much worse. Many zealots want it worse.
Indeed, it's happening right now and it will keep happening. Stop voting for red and blue
I love all the comments like "Biden isn't being tough enough on Israel! Biden isn't stopping the genocide!"
Besides the fact that people are asking Biden to do something that directly hurts US foreign policy interests.....
Do they REALLY think that the Republican party is on the side of stopping brown people dying? Biden in office is probably the most gentle response Palestine is going to get for 10/7. Republicans are frothing at the mouth to boost JDAM and Paveway kit sales.
Supporting Israel's genocide of Palestinians is directly harming the US' foreign policy interests.
The entire point of Israel’s genocide in the end is to perpetuate war and conflict so rightwing nutjobs like Netanyahu can retain power by killing people and claiming they are keeping people safe instead of doing actual leadership work and passing effective policy to save people.
In that sense Israel’s genocide makes the entire world less safe by empowering strongman leaders like this.
The foreign policy of most on the right is basically "Turn it all to glass." Which is terrifying.
You're thinking of ruzzia lmao.
Are you seriously incapable of viewing Biden's actions outside of a lens related to the upcoming election?
It's almost as though some people are incapable of holding two thought in their head at the same time: the RNC is absolutely fascist and pro-genocide, and Biden is doing the wrong thing in this specific situation and should be criticized for it. If all criticism of a president must stop, you live in a dictatorship. This one just happens to be a two party dictatorship where one awful party is kept from criticism by the threat of the other being even worse.
Literally everything every politician does is towards their next re-election. Literally everything. It's ignorant to think otherwise.
Part of representing their constituents is to satisfy the most voters to vote for them in the future. It's not a hard concept.
How does that even make sense? GOP being worse doesn't mean that Biden is doing a great job. He's bloody well FUNDING and ARMING the genocidal IDF. That there is a worse option doesn't make Biden's actions in any way "good".
Besides the fact that people are asking Biden to do something that directly hurts US foreign policy interests…
Why would enabling the genocide of Palestinians benefit US foreign policy?
Also, isn't our current beef with Yemen and the 96% drop off in Suez traffic a direct result of Israel's War in Gaza? Isn't keeping the Suez open to traffic pursuant to US foreign policy?
Do they REALLY think that the Republican party is on the side of stopping brown people dying?
I think that America is a Fascist Nation enabling the will of some of the most deranged and brutal regimes in human history. Between the Israelis, the Saudis, the Indian Hinduvistas, and the Duterte/Marcos cartel in the Philippians, we've got - bare minimum - four Fascist regional governments that we are falling over ourselves to help perpetuate atrocities of nightmarish proportions.
Republicans and Democrats seem to be in alignment in supporting all of these horrifying campaigns of mass slaughter. If this is the future of American politics, our government deserves to fail and I pray that our failed state is wiped from the face of the Earth.
The US does not negotiate with terrorists. The US is not going to abandon it's interests just because some anti-semitic people don't like the US supporting Israel. It is directly contrary to the US foreign policy interests because it signals that the US is willing to abandon allies in the face of attack. Imagine if the US had withdrawn support from Israel after 9/11, an attack which was specifically in retaliation for US support of Israel.
The irony of those hicktards...
...which translates to genocide.
My grandpa said the same thing and now he’s gonna die without ever seeing me again. Hope he’s proud.
Good for you for drawing a line, it must have been hard but that degree of hate is incompatible with love.
Can we bring back the proposal that any politician who advocates in favor of an offensive war/conflict be then immediately pressed into service on the front lines?
If he wants to kill Palestinians so badly, maybe he can man up and do it himself rather than speak platitudes across a desk.
Shove this in the face of the GeNoCiDe JoE!!1!1!1 idiots who can’t seem to grasp that they face a binary decision.
What's fun is that I regularly ask, "who should I vote for to prevent Trump from being president?" I rarely get an answer, but I do get told I support genocide. It's extra-fun when I tell them I want to stop Trump to stop people like my queer daughter from being the victims of a genocide. That often makes them double down on telling me how much I want there to be a genocide.
I've even been told I should care more about people on the other side of the world than my own daughter's life.
I am extremely sympathetic to the Palestinian cause and absolutely condemn Israel's genocide... but at the expense of my own child's life? Fuck no.
Anything to stop Trump and Republicans from putting queer people in "conversion" camps where they're tortured to death. Because that's the goal.
You need to stop having those conversations and focus on what's important. Right now, if the election were to be held, Trump wins in a landslide according to the polls (assuming EC more or less follows the popular trend).
What do you need to do before November to ensure that your queer daughter is protected in the extremely likely case of a 2nd Trump administration?
One of my closest friends moved to Tennessee right before his adolescent daughter came out as queer a few years back. I feel so bad for that kid. Her family is supportive of her, at least, but what a nightmare place to have to live as a gay kid.
I'm not making excuses for anyone here --
I expect it is extremely confusing for many people when "Jewish" is a religion, an ethnicity, a nationality, a nation, and a political football. This leads to anything the Israeli government opposes to be construed in the same light, which is how we get people equating "Palestinians living in severe apartheid conditions inside the borders of the nation of Israel" with "Hamas." And, of course, anyone who opposes the actions of the Israeli government is likely to get branded "antisemitic," because if you oppose the Jewish nation you must also oppose the Jewish religion, ethnicity, and nationality, right? (Narrator: Wrong.)
Because of this conflation of so many different things being called the same thing, I try to make absolutely clear what I'm talking about (when I dare dip my toe into those shark-infested waters). Hamas fucking sucks. The Israeli government fucking sucks. What both of those entities do - and have done for a very long time - demonstrate that they are both genocidal shitbags. Supporters of either, be they Israeli citizens, Palestinians, or third parties, fucking suck right alongside them.
Genocide is a hell of a fucking wedge issue.
It becomes a lot easier to get someone to trade up active current genocide for non-active future genocide. That anything works both ways and the GOP knows.
I think these people are more typically from troll farms than genuinely pro-Palestine, but some of theme probably are that stupid as well. I guess it's a mixed bag.
Last election I got to vote for "grab 'em by the pussy" or "black kids are just as good as rich kids" (or something similar. I can't remember the quote exactly and I don't have time to look it up).
This election I get to vote for genocide or genocide. I can't wait.
Edit: I'll take Biden over Trump any day. Trump terrifies me. I'm terrified of how many Americans are going to die if he wins. But I hate that these are our options.
I’ve even been told I should care more about people on the other side of the world than my own daughter’s life.
Most likely they don't have children of their own. Easier to say dumb shit like this.
Ah, so I watched the video. He got upset because he was getting pressed against his beliefs. So he said something to try and trigger them. Although, I totally believe he meant it too. Who the hell are these lizard people. Stop voting for lizard people ffs.
But if I were to say that about him and his family, he would want me prosecuted.
Fuck this guy and all the TNGop that gerrymandered Davidson county (Nashville) to get rid any dissenting opinions.
And yet I'm sure he GASPS when other people say the same of Americans...
Hey wait a minute I thought we were all voting for Republicans because the Democrats didn't immediately get Israel to do all the things we wanted them to do.
Literally who is voting Republican over Gaza? And before you say it, no. Not engaging with a two party election in which both candidates support genocide is not the same as voting for the one you don't like.
Sarcasm.
No some of us just aren't showing up to vote for Biden. Personally I'll be voting for a 3rd party candidate or writing in. We made it clear we didn't support Biden as a choice in the 2020 primaries. Progressives and leftists provided multiple alternatives we would have generally all backed in the general even though we definitely had our favorites.
Moderates responded by claiming "We can push Biden to the left." Many progressive and leftist voters took this to mean we had a seat at the table so we showed up in the 2020 general election. After four years of Biden it's very clear we continue to have no seat at the table despite being desperately needed to win the 2024 general election. Moderates continue to bank on using the fear of Trump to coerce progressives and leftists to show up to vote while having zero influence at all. Then they have a melt down and call us entitled when we say we've had enough and we're walking away from the table we don't have a seat at.
Moderates can either compromise with leftists or progressives or lose to fascists. It's really that simple.
Well, guess what's gonna happen then. If you are in danger of starving, do you refuse a bruised apple or wait for pizza?
The Trump Supreme court has intervened to shut down any meaningful progressive initiatives (see student loan forgiveness, for example).
I don't think anyone was arguing you can push Biden to the left. I guess you had that Bernie commission but nothing was promised beyond that. What happened is more people voted for Biden so he won. That's democracy.
I'm not saying you have to vote for Biden, you're allowed to do whatever, but it's not some fairy tale that by not voting for Biden you're helping Trump. You are, you just don't care. You would rather Trump be president for the next 4 years because you think Moderate Democrats will learn some lesson that they didn't the last time the exact same thing happened in 2016.
What will really happen is moderates will claim the candidate catered to the left so much that it turned off moderates (or pick a group, didnt cater enough to suburban Hispanics or whatever), and the Left will say the candidate didn't cater to the left enough, and in 2028 that won't be resolved and the person who wins the most votes will win again entirely unrelated to the question. So you're not sending the message you think you're sending, you're just hurting the candidate whose interests are the closest to yours. Allowed, but not what I'd recommend as a political strategy.
No, we are voting against democrats because they continue to supply weaponry, ammunition, and a fucking carrier strike group to protect Israel from its own decisions.
If they want to massacre thousands of innocent children, let them do it on their own and take whatever fucking backlash they get.
They have no problems doing any of this as long as we are protecting them, let the chickens come home to roost on them
There's a third alternative for those who won't vote for Biden, but don't support Republicans. Primary. Essentially, picking democratic candidates that aren't endorsed by AIPAC on the downballot. We do have people like AOC, and Sanders whom that are against Israel, and Hamas.
That's more reasonable than voting against Democrats.
As far as consequences goes, Israel has been facing the prospect of decreased international support, but that will take a decade at best for it to be significant. Gen Z and Millennials don't really have good feelings toward Israel after their actions within war, and Israelis know it. It's on Israel to change policy along with a trial toward settlers and people that supports Netanyahu, and if they want them back, that's the only way to do it, otherwise, I don't see Israel having the longevity to avoid that.
You don't think that the alternative is worse? You don't think that Republicans will supply double the aid to Israel and half the aid to Ukraine?
It's a privileged position to be able to say "I want to wash my hands of the whole thing." People executing that privilege in 2016 got us to where we are today. People executing that privilege in 2004 got us to where we are today. People executing that privilege in 2000 got us to where we are today. How well do you think it's going to work out for you this year?
Practice on yourself, traitor.
For the record the UN is estimating 100,000 dead unfound under rubble. And that the rate of killing is comparable to Rwanda's genocide.
He is simply saying what the majority of US political elites are thinking.
Wtf
Make your mother proud, kid. If she doesn't love you after this maybe it'll help to outlaw abortion?
And homosexuality. And interracial marriage. And women's rights. And...
He is an embarrassment to our state. ;(
And his family.
... everybody in Hamas".
The fact that the newspaper, twitter and all the people here are ignoring what they heard themselves,
that is the clearest and escariest example of an echo chamber.
"I've seen the footage of shredded children's bodies," the activist told Ogles. "That's my taxpayer dollars that are going to bomb those kids."
"You know what? So, I think we should kill 'em all, if that makes you feel better," Ogles responded. "Everybody in Hamas"
"I've seen the footage of shredded children's bodies," the activist told Ogles. "That's my taxpayer dollars that are going to bomb those kids."
"You know what? So, I think we should kill 'em all, if that makes you feel better," Ogles responded. "Hamas and the Palestinians have been attacking Israel for 20 years. It's time to pay the piper."
That doesn't make it better. Lots of genocide apologists make a point of pretending all Palestinians are part of Hamas.
Also cuerdo and every other apologist: "every Palestinian man, woman, and child is harboring a top level Hamas commander in their back pocket and therefore must be killed "
i only highlighted a fact, and you are alredy calling me names, i am very far of entering a debate in this conditions
Utterly disgusting of Andy.
It was a slip he thought they said Democrats. /s
Maybe all the GOP could go over there and try....
They say that about literally everyone who isn't a geriatric white male worth millions of dollars.
Probably a Christian too
He woke up and thought "today, I'm going to be the shitty politician that punk rockers sing about", and then he did it.
Had to do a double-take, thought this was an onion headline.
The picture even looks like the parody version you'd see in the music video.