Why is AI Pornifying Asian Women?
Why is AI Pornifying Asian Women?
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Because we have been pornifying asian women on the internet for decades. Does that really beg the question posed in the title?
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You're absolutely correct, yet ask someone who's very pro AI and they might dismiss such claims as "needing better prompts". Also many people may not be as tech informed as you are, and bringing light to algorithmic bias can help them understand and navigate the world we now live in. Dismissing the article just because you already know the answer doesn't really encourage people to participate in a discussion.
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It's really hard getting dark skin sometimes. A lot of the time it's not even just the model, LoRAs and Textual Inversions make the skin lighter again so you have to try even harder. It's going to take conscious effort from people to tune models that are inclusive. With the way media is biased right now, I feel like it's going to take a lot of effort.
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And every single Asian game and anime tends to go for skimpy or virtual softcore with it's female characters. Rarely you see a female character in full armor.
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This is incredibly dismissive of the concerns raised and adds nothing to the discussion
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If I had to guess, they probably did a shit job labeling training data or used pre labeled images, now where in the world could they have found huge amounts of pictures of women on the internet with the specific label of “Asian”?
Almost like, most of what determines the quality of the output is not “prompt engineering” but actually the back end work of labeling the training data properly, and you’re not actually saving much labor over more traditional methods, just making the labor more anonymous, easier to hide, and thus easier to exploit and devalue.
Almost like this shit is a massive farce just like the “meta verse” and crypto that will fail to be market viable and waist a shit ton of money that could have been spent on actually useful things.
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They did literally nothing and seem to use the default stable diffusion model which is supposed to be a techdemo. Would have been easy to put "(((nude, nudity, naked, sexual, violence, gore)))" as the negative prompt
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The problem is that negative prompts can help, but when the training data is so heavily poisoned in one direction, stuff gets through.
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Because the Internet is for porn. Always has been, always will be.
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Scroll through the trained models on civit.ai and you'll quickly get a feeling of the dystopian level of "prettifying" everything in the AI-generation world.
I also once searched for "brown" just to see if any models were trained to create non-white-skinned people, and got shocked when the result was filled with models trained on Millie Bobby Brown from Stranger Things. I don't even want to know what those models are used for.
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dystopian level of “prettifying” everything in the AI-generation world.
So like all the ad campaigns, TV shows and movies in the real world?
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From the first 10 models I saw, the first image was a woman 9 times...
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Because white dudes fetishizing asian women wrote the llms and pointed at the training data
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I work in tech and asian guys tend to outnumber white guys in it, especially if you combine east asian and south asian.
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Because simps.
Saved you a click.
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Stable Diffusion is little more than content laundering. It cannot create anything more than what you put in.
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Yawn, are we still repeating blinding repeating this utter nonsense from a year ago?
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You're so confidently incorrect about something you clearly don't know much about.
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How is he wrong?
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Are the images above supposed to depict “porn”? I’ve never seen porn like that.
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In 2024, the brain washing of people is almost complete.
Sensuality is now porn. :)
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I'm not exposed to a huge amount of media coming out of Asia, outside of a handful of Korean shows that Netflix has picked up and anime. But like, if anime is any indicator, I'm not really surprised that the training data for Asian women is leaning more toward overt sexualization. Even setting aside the whole misogynistic 'fan service' thing, I don't feel like I see as much representation of women who defy traditional gender roles as the last twenty or so years of Western media.
It certainly could be that anime is actually a huge outlier here, but if the training data is primarily from the English speaking web, it might be overrepresented anyway. But like, when it comes to weird AI image behaviors, it pays to think about the probable training data.
Like, stable diffusion seems to do a better job of rendering jewelry if you tell it to surround it with berries. Given the output, this seems to be due to Christmas themed jewelry ads. They also tend to add a lot of bokeh for the same reason.
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Garbage in, garbage out 🤷
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Absolutely this. The reason AI defaults female into "female armor mode" is the same reason Excel has January February Maruary. Our spicy autocorrect overlords cannot extrapolate data in a direction that it's training has no knowledge of.
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You train on a bunch of reddit crap, you're going to get neck beard reddit crap out. It'd look different if they only used art history books.
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Does AI not generally pornify women and girls independent of ethnicity?
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Looking at some of the replied that tried to dismiss the issue and the general lack of concern from moderators against aggressive replies from AI apologists (in this thread but also other AI related threads) are disheartening.
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Because it's trained on the internet, and we all know what that's for.
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While i agree there is a big issue with the bad biased and sexist training data this entire article is about the lensa app which uses (i assume) the default stable diffusion model laion-5b.
Intentional creating sexualized pictures is banned in their guidelines. And yet no one thought of creating a good negative prompt that negates any kind of nudity or eroticism? It still doesn't properly fix the training data but at least people aren't unwillingly presented porn of their own images.
Also everyone can create a dataset and build a stable diffusion model, so why is lensa relying on the default model which is more like a quick and dirty tech demo. They had all the tools to do this right but decided to not even uses the easy lazy ones.
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If we're talking open source models, it's because a lot of the people fine-tuning them are Asian, and have that bias.
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Because people are telling it to, I’d wager
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Because AI is the literal worst.
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Tried it on the copilot app and one result had an asian but wasnt sexual but indeed very sexy in style.
Prompt: Generate me a picture of a female wizard reading a massive book of spells
Pictures:
Edit:
Female wizard: Kinda magical fantasy. Has good intentions
Witch: Spooky and mysterious. Halloween themes
Sorceress: Same as wizard but with my selfish/bad intentions.
What is sexy in style here? They are wearing loose, long-sleeved robes up to the neck. Makeup and hair are just following current trends.
That's DALL-E. DALL-E is different than Stable Diffusion, which is different from Midjourney, which is different from the many NAI anime models out there.
We need to stop treating LD models like they are all the same thing. Models are based on the data they are trained on. Sure, a lot of them started out from a Stable Diffusion model, but that's not always the case, and enough training can have them go off in specialized directions.
Cute wizard girl w
Those characters have child-like facial proportions. 🧐
Yeah, if you go back through hundreds of years of artwork, most of it are pictures of women. Some of them are nude. There are many many artists that only draw women, modern or classical. And there's a ton of male Japanese artists from centuries ago that did the same thing.
That's just one model, and obviously not Stable Diffusion. LD models are just based on whatever they were trained on. If you don't like it, download another model trained on something else and try it out. Or train one yourself.
Also, I wish everybody would download a SD client and just use this software locally. All of these toy websites are shit, and local clients aren't going to threaten to ban you because of what you generated. It's a good learning experience to figure out the software, and these tools are useful for more things than just bitching about the tech on the web.