Your average Wine enjoyer

Even with good old wine, the friend is still not wrong

Unfortunately, yes...

Your average Wine enjoyer:

Wine works great, blurp...

My first Linux install, I downloaded some tutorial from somewhere, can't remember where (maybe someone on IRC shared it 🤔... IDK, I can't remember), and this is litelarly what it said 😂.
You have to be prepared when installing Linux. Take a week or two off work or school and make sure you have the following things at your disposal.
Find as many bootable floppy's and as many different dostro CDs as possible. Why? The boot floppy from Debian might work with Suse, but not the Debian CD.
Make sure you have at least two CD drives and floppy drives at your disposal. The more, the better. Why? You'll probably burn out the first ones while trying to figure out which boot floppy goes with which distro.
Have coffee at your disposal all the time. You're at the bottom of the pot? Pour that in your mug and put a new one on the kettle.
Stock up on as many different kinds of alcohol you can find, preferably strong stuff. Trust me, you'll need it.
- Typical of many online tutorials, full of typos and errors.
Lmao.. it hurts because it’s true!! Debug these windows stack traces in Linux, here you go!! Exception happened at 0xEBFCEBFCBEBXBDBBWBXBENEKWWLLWLFFMLW
How I learnt there are normal dot net runtime and Desktop runtime.

I hate comments that are like “oh if only Linux could run Whatever” etc. You can have more than one computer (or partition), and you can have more than one OS. Windows isn’t going to divorce you if you spend time with Linux.

WSL enters the chat.
- It works great too. Day to day I'll be building Linux code, running IntelliJ under X, installing docker containers and doing other stuff all from a Windows desktop.
- The downside to WSL is that you have to give money to, as well as deal with the corporate bullshit of, Microsoft, which defeats a significant chunk of why people use Linux in the first place.
You can use Linux and Windows at the same time with WSL. Works extremely well for people who develop Linux but also need Windows stuff.
- Hmm, WSL has created more issues for me than I’d cared for. I don’t think it’s an ideal solution.

This is not wine... Powerade at best 🤔

Mad Dog 20/20.
- This is not Madd Dogg. Big Smoke at best.

Denuvo drm: allow me to introduce myself

Honestly DRM is bad and should be rejected. That means no Spotify, Netflix or Denuvo.
- Hell, I'm down with that, I don't use any of that.
- It should be circumvented, not rejected.
Just find a build with it ripped out / worked around it and play offline?
It works nowadays.

I would like MS Office to run in Linux... and not have to vomit even more money to Crossover to get it to work.

And when you play the "LibreOffice" card, I play the "Word doc with custom layout tables" trap card!

Which version? 2007 runs just fine. 2010 requres some custom libs, but there are tutorials (there is also a patch that makes it an endless free trial). 2013 is not a finished product IMO, so I haven't used it all or tried in Wine. 2016... yeah, that's a PITA to get working. One thing I can suggest is go with the MSVC++ installer from this link and go from there. You might also need x64dbg, but I seriously doubt it.
- MS Word past 2007 is not MS Word anymore. Microsoft fucked up the menu and the toolbar intentionally, to lock new users into their new fancy user interface with menus-as-buttons. LibreOffice is more MS Word from the usability standpoint than the MS Word 2016. Like, you can select Format - Paragraph and edit your paragraph formatting, all in one dialog, and not search for the right icon out of a hundred pictograms spread evenly over ten dynamic toolbars.
What's "custom layout tables"? Anyway, I now only play https://typst.app card, because I don't use LO Writer anymore, only LO Calc for some stuff. Typst has a ton of scripting capability and granular customization, so it will probably beat your "custom layout tables" by a ~~mile~~ kilometer!
Typst is the future for document creation. Mark my words.
- You based chad. Typst is absolutely awesome. It made me ditch Libreoffice and LaTeX at the same time. Haven't looked back since then.
- Do you know of any Google xcel alternatives? Something that still allows public viewing, and collaborative editing?
What's wrong with cross over?
- It's proprietary and paid, so even if it works great, it is still closed source. It's also not a great sign that their website has no option to refuse cookies, only accept (not even a customise menu).
Try freeoffice, I remember it having better compatibility with word docs

Adobe products: Hello there!

Yeah, you can run them with some heavy modding. I've done it with Photoshop 2021 and Premiere 2021. Takes a lot of work and debugging, but it's doable.
- That's a solid no for me and most people. I'm working on getting my office above 50% Linux but I'll probably never get to 100%.
- Possible, not practical.
  I use substance painter and I need it to work. I don't want to spend hours messing around trying to make it work and jumping through hoops.
  Wine for DCC is great if you enjoy tinkering with pipelines rather than using them, but impractical for people who are trying to reliably get work done.

There are actually only two kinds of windows apps that don't run on Linux: Those made not to run on Linux on purpose, and those that were made by so bad programmers that you'll be amazed how fast the "fixme" messages scroll in the terminal window from which you started wine. I'm working with one of the latter, and I'm happy that I just finished the last project with it. This piece of software is plain shit. And it looks like they don't intend to fix their shit.

It's not exactly on purpose, but Wine is still missing a lot of hardware level translation, like native SATA for example, so... 🤷.
- I'm not talking about limits in low-level hardware support. I'm talking e.g. about games with anti-cheating software or productivity software with invasive license managers that are made not to run under anything but Windows.

If AutoCAD could run on Linux I'd change in a heartbeat

Not sure if you're going to like the route they'll be taking.
https://www.infoq.com/presentations/autocad-webassembly
I bet AutoCAD will collapse either way if Microsoft decided to purge legacy components from the OS. Feel like the codebase hasn't changed since the early days and it probably depends on some APIs that have been there since Windows ME.
- I bet AutoCAD will collapse either way if Microsoft decided to purge legacy components from the OS.
  I've been saying this for years. Their code base is ancient, it's just makeup on a granma.
  The trouble is, I think MS saw through this. Why do you think backwards compatibility suddenly got so good with Win8/8.1/10, while it really sucked with 7 (blue screens all over, especially with drivers from XP). Hell, I've installed XP graphics drivers on Win10 x86 LTSC 2019 and everything was hunky dory. Sure, no Nvidia control panel (it just errors out when you try to rum it), but hey, at least they work. Same with software, CorelDRAW 12 was a PITA to get working properly on Win7. On 10, it works out of the box.
  I think they were aware that their mobile OS escapades might flop, so they focused on getting better backwards compatibility. If this thing fires back (which it did), stick to your guns, you still are no.1 in the CAD software market.
To be fair AutoCAD couldn’t be stable if AutoDesk built their own custom OS. It’s such hot garbage.
- I think the market share is shrinking anyway with BIM being ubiquitous
AutoCAD seems to be it's own worst enemy.
- I think this software is on its way out anyway

I think that's Kool Aid.

Better not be because I can't see an inch of sugar building up at the bottom so it wasn't made correctly.
I was thinking Hawaiian Punch. (I think we may have found a new versioning theme)

Badlands chugs, legend

Oh holy shit you're right! Badlands Booker! Total legend. I actually met him at an eating contest way back. Seemed like a really cool guy.

Windows can’t run Linux apps (wsl is Linux running Linux apps)

Both Linux and Windows can't run macOS apps.
- Just for awareness
  https://www.darlinghq.org/

Yeah, enjoy that... I've tried it enough times to find the process cumbersome and full of troubleshooting. In the right state of mind I enjoy that, but I could never straight up ditch windows as someone who games often. Sometimes you just want to download a new game and play it.

Linux will get there, if things keep going that direction. It's not there yet, though.

I've played games on my Linux desktop without so much as even needing to care it's running on Linux via Steam and Proton for years now, and it's only getting better. Basically the only games I've seen not work are the ones with kernel level ~~rootkit~~ anti cheat really.
Yeah, enjoy that... I've tried it enough times to find the process cumbersome and full of troubleshooting.
But... that's part of the joy 🤨...
In the right state of mind I enjoy that, but I could never straight up ditch windows as someone who games often.
Who said you have to ditch Windows 🤨. I mostly use Wine so I don't have to restart and boot into Windows or fire up a VM. It's just simpler.

Guava juice in a wine glass?

I don't know but it definitely doesn't look like wine.

Man, Badlands Chugs is gonna die due to a spectacular cardiac arrest one day. It's like watching someone gleefully stab themselves in each one of his videos.

That is most likely juice. Bout 5 kg of sugar in that glass by my rough estimation.

Big Carl