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  • I think the mods are doing an okay job here, but I also think it's fair to judge the community by what they upvote. And before it was deleted, there were definitely more upvotes than downvotes on something very blatantly genocidal. And there's still a comment up in this thread on some bizarre hick race science shit, again with a bunch of upvotes. Cartoonishly racist, still up, and with a bunch of upvotes. I think this does say sth about the community.

  • You're literally rooting for the extinction of an ethnicity. Don't conflate a people with their government. The folks in the Twin Towers did not deserve to die, regardless of all the horrible things their goverment has done. The folks at the October 7th festival did not deserve to die, regardless of the horrible things their government has done. Russians do not deserve to go extinct, regardless of the horrible things their government has done. Please try to keep your genocidal tendencies in check.

  • Yeah, and you're basing this on info from the IDF, which I and others point out is hardly an impartial observer. There are impartial third party observers (Amnesty, WHO, Red Cross, ICC, ICJ, Unicef, etc.) and they all disagree with you. Try applying a even a smidge of critical thinking.

  • That's a fair point, he was not compos mentis during the second half of his presidency. But then, suppose someone in the more advanced stages of Alzheimer's gets behind the wheel and runs over and kills a child. Are they morally culpable? I think the answer is non-obvious, and at any rate subjective.

    For me personally, a necessary (but not sufficient) precondition is that the driver currently remembers what they did. This also implies that as time progresses, they lose culpability, as in time they will forget about it. It's hard to judge whether Biden satisfies this. I mean, in his worst moments (like the debate, and his recent appearance on the View) it's so obvious that he doesn't understand what's going on that I have a hard time believing he fully understands what's happening in the middle east. This, to me, would imply that he's not culpable for the genocide by virtue of simply not knowing it's happening in the first place.

  • As another user pointed out, there's no basis for those claims other than IDF press releases, which is literally the party that's doing the bombing. Not crazy reliable. But let's say they're not lying, or wrong. Let's say that enemy combatants are holed up underneath all schools, all hospitals, all churches and mosques, and 90% of residential buildings in Gaza (writing it out like this makes it sound really fucking stupid and unbelievable, but let's entertain the thought anyway).

    In the case that medical facilities are used in acts harmful to you, they become legitimate military targets under international humanitarian law. However, when you do bomb such facilities you have a number of responsibilities, including preparing a contingency plan and getting full medical service (such as cancer wards, maternity wards, and so on) up and running as soon as possible. If you don't, you're right back in war crime territory. And Israel hasn't.

    But aside from legal stuff, just ask yourself on a moral level if you're okay with this. If your mother is taken hostage in a bank robbery, would you be okay with the police dealing with this situation by blowing up the entire building? I personally wouldn't, but I guess it's conceivable that you would respond by saying "the robber did the hostage taking, the cops had no other choice, and the only one to blame for my mother's death is the robber".

    All of this is all hypothetical of course because there's actually no reason to believe that all hospitals, schools, places of worship, residential buildings, and refugee camps are all valid military targets. Because what moron would believe such a thing based entirely on what the party doing the bombing is saying?

  • But that's factually incorrect. Billions of dollars of new US military aid to Israel, during the genocide, were okayed by the Biden admin. This is not controversial, this is not classified, this is public knowledge that made headlines in all major news outlets at the time.

  • Claiming that the genocide, apartheid, and colonialism perpetrated by Israel is in any way complex or nuanced is such a disgustingly smug way of revealing you haven't spent even a moment thinking the situation through, or reading up on the history. Gross.

  • It's really one of the most uncomplicated conflicts in human history, I think. Israel took the Palestinian's land by force, and has killed thousands upon thousands of innocent Palestinian civilians over the past 77 years. It's really as simple as the Holocaust to figure out who's in the wrong here. Sure, the Palestinian's fight back with little effect, but so did the Jews in WWII, and no one thinks the Holocaust was complex.