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  • Oh look you’ve brought genitals into it here too,

    Ill help you out since you cant read. The title of this post is:

    "Suicide rates in the US are highest among elderly men, and most involve guns, CDC report says"

    among elderly men

    men

    I’m not the one arguing against evidence based suicide prevention

    The only "evidence" you have provided is baseless claims. The facts I have provided are clear an unambiguous. Banning guns in Australia made no difference to suicide.

    To put it bluntly you seem like a bot rambling on without understanding the title of a post let alone content.

    like they’re women’s fault

    Good luck with that.

  • To preface for others, I have placed some of the more triggering parts of this discussion behind the spoiler tags so others reading can avoid the more sensitive part of these discussions.

    I probably should have said “many suicides are an impulse”

    You should not have over stated the minority. I understand, anything to further your political rhetoric.

    It remains one of the most effective methods of suicide prevention

    And yet the suicide statistics CLEARLY show it made NO difference for Australia, none. ::: spoiler spoiler Better ban rope now, hangings now dwarf suicide by guns as the leading cause. ::: Clearly you can't even be bothered reading the statistics, not a study, statistics. If you had bothered to read the statistics of means over time, it clearly shows the volume has only increased over 5 decades and the means has drastically changed. The change in access made, NO difference in the outcome.

    So you’re saying that men have greater access to some kind of “means”.

    That was a typo on my part which you can clearly see if you read the two sentences together. Not means; intent. Absolutely men have far more intent then women. Pick any study, the conclusion is the same: intent.

    I’m the one advocating that we take steps to reduce the suicide rate, using repeatedly proven strategies.

    repeatedly proven strategies.

    That baseless claim at it again. Its statistics show the exact opposite.

    pro-gun commenters that you seemingly agree with

    No. I'm disagreeing with political bots like yourself "PoliticalAgiotator" wedging an agenda to benefit your politics. Its disingenuous garbage. I'm keeping my politics out of it, I find it weird how uncontrolled guns are in the US however I am not deluded by how little of an impact it has had here. It detracts from real discussion to address the real cause.

    I even did it without bringing gender into it,

    didn’t stop you from seeing the words “women” and “suicide” used in the same post and twisting it

    The delusion is pretty bad for you. You have not read the post title, let alone the article or even the statistics I provided. Welcome to the conversation, or is that the point: to derail and not contribute.

    Yep, I see the statistics

    For some strange reason, I highly doubt you read anything at all.

  • Thinking too small.

    Contract out to nasa or highest bidder and transport goods and people to ISS. Transport goods and people to mars. Get spacesuits and transport asteroids to the highest bidder. Become richest person on earth.

    1. social studies isn’t a fucking college level course, you talking about sociology?

    Depending on where you live it is college or ts university, first year

    1. how do you even measure “acting on it” more often? I’ve read several things that said that women attempt suicide more often than men, but men more often “succeed”… Largely because of the means they choose

    Death, well established and not studied enough

    1. guns don’t cause suicide depression does is the same shitty argument that assholes like you have with guns don’t kill people, people kill people

    Its sad how obsessed you are with guns, really sad

    Fact America is not in the top 20 countries for suicide. I would like to think because its quality of life, but like all things its more nuanced.

    Guns don't cause suicide, depression (the big killer) results in suicide and its causes are many. Access to suicidal means may help with a little bit of time sometimes; best case scenario. However if the cause is never addressed the end result will always be the same so just conflating the issue and the cycle continues on.

    https://www.aihw.gov.au/suicide-self-harm-monitoring/data/deaths-by-suicide-in-australia/suicide-deaths-over-time

    Australia got rid of guns in 1996.

    The only person fetishizing guns and suicide is you! Stop wedging the desperate to your disingenuous cause,.

  • Suicide is an impulse

    Suicide is everything from highly planned to impulsive. You've built your argument on a fallacy.

    Abusers with guns

    So this isn't about male suicide but guns...

    Great minimization to wedge your rhetoric.

    When the causes of death is compared across genders is blatantly obvious the difference is the means to ACT on it. Men are less likely to seek help, more likely to ACT. This is not a uniquely American issue, its world wide in fact America does not rank in the top 20 countries.

    To make my point, here is the Australian suicide statistics. Notice how its the same problem and we do not have guns accessible? https://www.aihw.gov.au/suicide-self-harm-monitoring/data/deaths-by-suicide-in-australia/suicide-deaths-over-time

  • Suicide is not a uniquely American problem, nor is higher male suicides. In fact America does not even make the top 20. Depression is the well understood cause of suicide. Depression has many many factors. From simple inheritance, to money, relationships, drugs, disease, and much more. Those are the causes. The only way to stop it, is mental health services, awareness, compassion, support and specifically for men, breaking the social stigma. Break the generational social contract that makes mental health for males taboo and only then will we achieve even suicide rates across genders.

  • What a load of horse shit.

    Wedging guns is nothing but disingenuous.

    Suicide is caused by depression. Not guns, Depression.

    Higher male suicide rates is caused by the fact that men ACT on it more than women. This is well studied and understood by even first year university students in social studies. The only way to stop it from occurring is before men and women ACT on it. Address the cause depression, and it will improve outcomes.

    Programs like, "Black dog institute", "Are you OK", "Mens shed Associations", or best yet, clinical help, Break the stigma of men reaching out for help.

  • ideation involves stimulus from the immediate locale

    locale

    What a load of garbage.

    If you understood suicide even a little bit you would know that DEPRESSION proceeds action! Wow. The only way to stop suicide is to address the underlying cause: Depression. Depression requires support from, employers, colleagues, family, friends, and most importantly, mental health support services. Its literally that simple. Depression kills all and plenty of studies have found the cause for men is the fact they act on it more. This is not a unique American problem. Why do men act on it? Because its a part of the social and gender values, ingrained into generations.

  • Sounds like you’re obsessed with guns yourself and a nut in your own right. The core problem here is the social stigma stopping men from seeking help. When men get to the point of suicide it’s going to happen. Banning guns doesn’t change this even in othe western countries still have this same problem.

    This issue will take a generation or more to change. It won’t be resolved by banning guns or policy from parliament. It will take a change in social values and gender stereo types; the men don’t cry attitude. Which is engrained into core values. The best we can do is support those in our circles. Ask are you ok, help those we care for to find mental health services and we can also get better at helping those around us. Online support services like “are you ok” have resources for everyone.

    If you want to be engaged politically you will need to have a life experience to have impact. from their write to your local political member with that experience and don’t be anonymous. That way you’re counted as a constituent and you can have this conversation with them. But they may just chose to ignore your story so don’t hang your identity on a political party. I would rather see someone passionate about men’s mental health being a force for healing instead of yelling at the wind.

    Or maybe I got this wrong and you would make a great Democrat. Just don’t use hot topics to wedge issues it’s a disingenuous farce that will only get others to rally against your cause.

  • In this instance they are actually correct

    If you understand suicide even a little bit you would know men do not fuck about when it comes to suicide. There is little in between, no cry’s for help they are rare. guns are a tool to achieve the outcome and the statistics will never change.

    So this click bait title and stupid anti-gun garbage does not help and makes the issue harder to resolve. Men will ALWAYS be the higher suicide rate no matter what. Social support systems and mental health stigma for men needs to change.

    Up next water is wet.

  • If you understand suicide even a little bit you would know men do not fuck about when it comes to suicide. There is little in between, no cry’s for help they are rare. guns are a tool to achieve the outcome and the statistics will never change.

    So this click bait title is just stupid anti-gun garbage. Men will ALWAYS be the higher suicide rate no matter what.

    Up next water is wet.