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  • So, they are heavily invested in this being a success, both financially and for the prestige of being first? To the point of likely costing someone a lot of money and maybe their job if they hadnt produced results?

    The kind of situation where they would be tempted to tweak results a bit, perhaps?

  • While I agree, the corpos dont and will fight tooth and nail to cut the cost anyway.

    So unless the US gets the stones to collar and muzzle these businesses (they wont) we have to work around these monsters who will bite your arm off to skip lunch

  • A lot of people think "ah Ill nab a soda on the way, its only $2"

    So when its "only" $3.50, $4.25, $6, it gets a lot harder to make those passing "ah fuck it" purchases while youre out and about doing other things.

    Its not like alcohol, where you make a point to obtain it for a designated drinking time and so will go out of your way to fulfill an errand. Its a passing convenience that you do less often when it becomes less convenient

  • You might be right. If youre not bright enough to grok that Im not talking about you, mozz's, literal biological grandmother, and if you need to re-ask questions I have explicitly answered twice now, I dont think you can ever understand what protests are in a conceptual sense, let alone why these specific protests happen.

    Good luck not walking into doors before opening them bud

  • THE VAST MAJORITY DO. NOT. MATTER.

    Read that sentence over and over until it sticks in your head. These protests Are. Not. For. Your. Racist. Grandmother. They are direct threats to the politicians who know better. They are direct threats to the people in power who are knowingly letting the climate worsen for profit. They are direct threats that say if they continue putting our lives at risk for money, we will burn down everything they own into ash that if we die we do so without making them richer.

    You are gently tonguing and sucking turtle miches fucking balls with this bullshit rhetoric. You are getting him off in the worst way, because he knows climate change is real and does not care because IT MAKES HIM MONEY. He is in love with the fact that you think threatening him and his coffers """hUrTs ThE MoVeMeNt""" because you are stopping anyone from actually holding him accountable.

    Your racist grandmas opinion doesnt matter!! She isnt burning coal!! She isnt razing the amazon for cattle farming!! The people who store their expensive art in museums do!! These protests are not for your dumb as rocks grandma!! No one gives a shit what she thinks!!

    These protests are reminders that we can do things that cost the people in power lots of money, because costing them money or killing them is all they care about, and we are polite enough to start with their wealth before their lives. End of story. Thats it.

    Threatening art threatens their investments. Halting traffick shuts down their factories and offices. Its not for you! Its to cost them money, and then remind them that we will do worse, for longer, next time. Anything that would make their stock wobble makes them tremble. Anything that shuts down a city fucks every business in that city, and all those angry business owners turn to the politicians and cry "fix it daddy! Or Ill stop paying you under the table!"

    THIS. ISNT. ABOUT. YOU. Its about hurting, directly, the people who cause these problems, in ways they cannot stop you from doing without killing you for it.

  • Nothing done has prolonged the current policies. You are either arguing in bad faith or from a position of complete ignorance of human history.

    If you were turned away from fixing climate change because of this nonviolent protest, you were 1) never actually on the side of humanity, and 2) do not understand what protests are or have ever been.

    We used to kill leaders who put our lives and our neighbors lives in jeapordy. They threaten us, and we kill them and replace them.

    These protests are progressive steps towards that old method, to remind them that we used to kill them for poor leadership, we could choose to do so again, and that we will start by destroying their property and financial investments first. That if they wish to live, and if they wish to keep their wealth, they need to start leading properly and stop putting our lives in jeapordy.

    The museum curators spoke out against this not because it harmed any movement, but because it risked costing them money. Thats it. Its a threat to cost them money if they dont listen to us.

    This isnt about swaying your bigoted dipshit of a grandma. Its about reminding turtle boy mitch and his country club friends in congress that we will burn down his house if he keeps ignoring this issue. Because we have exhausted the non violent options, and are approaching the point of needing to use violence.

    So, no, I dont give a shit that a painting wasnt even actually damaged. Because pretending to damage the painting is to remind those in power that the next time, we will not throw soup. We will throw bottles of kerosene with lit rags poking out.

    And I am speaking as an ecologist. We have tried the advocacy. The people in power do not care. They need to be made to care.

  • The life of a painting is worth less than my life, bud

    If you are hand wringing about a painting because someone tried to use it to stop the deaths of real himan beings, you dont give a shit about climate change. Shove that made up concern back up your ass where it came from.

    Saying "we are dying, and we will threaten to damage non living artwork until you stop the thing killing us" is not hurting any cause in the eyes of rational thinking human beings.

    You will not get me to care more about a painting that wasnt damaged just because the rich losers who own the museum dont like the negative press, and you cannot make me care more about warhols work more than human lives. (You also cant get me to care about andy the asshole anyway, but thats an opinion shared by any artist who studied him)

    Seriously. You need therapy if this damaged """the cause""" in your eyes. Because youre likely a sociopath.

  • Do you think that the average person is getting directly involved in their local political scene?

    Do you think people who are willing to engage with their local politics need to hear one last encouragement from a lemmy comment to finally push them over the fence?

    Or do you think that the people who are informed and motivated enough to be involved already are doing that?

    And that maybe, as a public forum, the actual best thing to be doing is making these ideas commonplace for the average person using that forum, so that when they see those ideas being advocated by someone running for office they will be familiar with the concepts and more willing to consider that person as a serious politician?

    Or do you think maybe you know all this, and are just bitching because you want violence?