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  • That's the prevailing theory, yes, but as far as I've found there's not empirical evidence to back it up. The theory does make perfect sense to me, though!

    Also, as a sufferer, I've noticed it almost always requires sunlight or something with close to the same frequencies. Most artificial lights don't trigger it *for me.

  • User Feedback, the Crawling Chaos, the Haunter of the Dark... I feel its tendrils of madness reaching for my mind even now. I am not ready for this. Ph'nglui mglw'nafh caffeine R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn! Iä! Iä!

  • Ah, dammit. I'll see if I can find something around me. It's hard to convince myself to go because of the group aspect; much easier to stay home where I won't upset anyone accidentally. But it does sound like it would be helpful; I'm younger than you but not by much. Thank you again!

  • Now I try to end my contribution with reconnection to the original experience, emphasizing the validation, and returning control of the conversation.

    This is something I've only just figured out how to do! I still need a lot of practice with it, my handoff is awkward and stilted and doesn't always work, but I'm a little proud that I can still learn new coping mechanisms and strategies even at this comparatively later stage of my life.

    When did you learn this particular skill? Did you have guidance from someone close to you, or did you figure it out on your own?

  • Ugh, of course those people would point to any source that supports their current claim, without vetting the source itself. They'll even tell you that of course they don't support antisemitism, while spouting that antisemitic Irving shit all day, and that's okay because they pick and choose only what they agree with out of the rhetoric. As though they couldn't find sources that support their point without the concomitant antisemitism.

    First and foremost, then, I'd go about this by not denying the genocide in Gaza and not saying stuff such as "I bet you love Palestine" like it's a pejorative, spacecadet.

    My second point would be to recognise that there is no moral or ethical reason not to pirate Irving's works. If you were able to find it at a library, it would be there because someone paid a publisher for the copy and likely some kind of library license. Some of that goes to Irving. There is no way to deny him profit and acquire his work legally. So, pirate it. Fuck that guy.

  • I really hope you think it through more deeply, because I don’t know why your opinion on mass murder in cold blood is “yeah but if I can get something in return then it’s cool”.

    Where did I say that?

    Right here:

    I don't want to be around a Nazi, but I also won't inherently be against it. I'd rather be friends with a Nazi who's fun to talk to over a sane person who is boring to talk to.

    First, you think being boring is worse than being a Nazi. What the fuck is up with that?

    Secondly, "Work with" covers a lot, and I do mean all of it. Work with them to advance their agenda when they're in government, work to be friends with them and normalise their views, it doesn't matter how you work with them. So I'm done. You're a fucking Nazi, just not the kind you're thinking of. You're the everyday Nazi, who sat there in Germany and shrugged as people were starved and beaten and gassed. That's exactly what I've been highlighting for you this whole time, and you just came out and said it 👍

    Edit: blocked and also get fucked.

  • The response isn't "eh". The response is disagreement.

    No, anything less than "that's fucked up and fuck you for as long as you believe that" isn't disagreement, it's disinterest. You're looking at views as just abstract paintings someone hangs on their wall; they're not, a person's views inform the way they act. Most beliefs you're absolutely fine to say "no I don't like that one" and not look at it, but keep hanging out at the house.

    The painting in this case is the gas chambers, it's the people making lists of of other people for Nazis to kill, it's the public beatings and total lack of freedom and justice for all. It's not a painting of those things, these beliefs are those things. It's not abstract at all, and it's not compatible with how free and open cultures work at a fundamental level.

    I absolutely hate the term social contract.

    Why? It accurately describes what society is.

  • So that you aren't around a Nazi, dude. Normal people don't want to be around Nazis. Their beliefs are abhorrent. "Abhorrent" means "So horrible I cannot stand even the thought of it". From everything you've been saying though, you don't find their beliefs abhorrent, just uncomfortable. I really hope you think it through more deeply, because I don't know why your opinion on mass murder in cold blood is "yeah but if I can get something in return then it's cool".

    That's what "work with" these people means. You have to compromise at some point to work with people, and Nazis won't compromise on the mass murder, so that means you'll have to.

  • Of course we would judge them, because they're happily talking to a Nazi. How can you exchange the time of day with someone who would happily sit there and murder thousands of innocent people in cold blood?

    "Hello yes my job is gas chamber operator"

    "oh, ok. Did you see the ball game?"

    ^ literally everyone who's saying it's fine to work with Nazis. Is it really so difficult to see what's wrong with that scene?

  • Fascism is not Nazism, but Nazism is a flavour of fascism.

    I do understand what you mean and historically you're absolutely right, it has always devolved into fascism. I don't think you can name a system of government that hasn't either started there or ended up there. But that was a process, capitalism isn't written that way on paper at all. The tenets don't line up. Like how communism in practice has very little to do with fascism (the managed economy bits often look similar on paper, though).

  • Yes, that is the core of the disagreement. You can always find someone to work with who doesn't believe those things; otherwise you have to say "they're fine except for this". But they're not fine except for that when "that" is "I don't believe autistic people should exist so we should kill them all". I guess to put it in an easy to digest sentence: Believing Nazi things is what makes someone a Nazi.

    If someone comes around, then great. But we cannot allow "eh" to be the response to "those people who have done nothing wrong should die". That's your response when you work with Nazis, whether you'll admit it to yourself or not. Because you will excuse that core tenet of their views, and I don't think that's reasonable.

    The social contract has rules that say we can't kill each other. Nazism does not respect that, so adherents of Nazism do not respect that, so they do not adhere to the social contract, thus they are not covered by it.

    At the end of the day bud you're here saying it's okay to work with Nazis. It isn't, period dot and end of story. Fix your ethics.

  • Capitalism has nothing to do with Nazism. If you find a capitalist throwing a sieg heil, they're a Nazi. If you find a Buddhist or a Marxist or a Christian or literally anyone working with people who throw sieg heils, they're a Nazi. If you (the general you, not you specifically) find yourself continuing to voice support for a president who didn't immediately get rid of Musk after he sieg heil'd on TV TWICE, you're a fuckin Nazi.

    Nobody should have to tell you this.