utopiah @ utopiah @lemmy.world

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You know what, again maybe I'm misreading you.

If you do want to help, do try with me to answer the question. I did give a path to the person initially mentioning the Model Card. Maybe you are aware of that but just in cased a Model Card is basic meta-data about a model, cf https://huggingface.co/docs/hub/model-cards

Some of them do mention CO2 equivalent, see https://huggingface.co/docs/hub/model-cards-co2 so here I don't know which model they used but maybe finding a way have CO2 equivalent for the most popular models, e.g DeepSeek, and some equivalent (they mentioned not driving a car) would help us all grasping at least some of the impact.

What do you think?

As much as I'd love to see Musk be on the next rocket, functional or not, to Mars, I also expect Trump to take 0 responsibility for any negative outcome and all credit for any positive downfall regardless of his actual involvement no matter how remote.

Please, do whatever you want to protect the environment you cherish. My point though was literally asking somebody who did point a better way to do it if they were aware of all the costs of their solution. If you missed it, their answer was clear : they do not know and they do not care. I was not suggesting activism, solely genuinely wondering if they actually understood the impact of the alternative they showcased. Honestly, just do whatever you can.

Apologies for my sarcastic answer, I did actually search for that a little while ago so I do assume most people do know but that's incorrect. The most useful tool I know of would probably be https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/uyghurs-for-sale-re-education-forced-labour-and-surveillance-beyond-xinjiang/ It wasn't specific to children but it does show the process and I'd argue can be apply for the different criteria one would want to focus on. It dates back few years ago, when I learned about the problem so there also you might want to prefer a more up to date source.

Let me know if you are looking for something more precise. I know of few other tools which do help better understand who builds what and how, for electronics but other products too.

FWIW the person I asked did reply, they don't care : https://lemmy.world/post/30563785/17397024

Hope it helps.

Straw-hat much or just learning about logistics and sourcing in our globalized supply chain?

Feel free to explain the down votes.

If it wasn't clear the my point was that self hosting addresses mostly privacy for the user but that is only one dimension addressed. It does not necessarily address the ecological impact. I was honestly hoping this community to care more.

Don’t know. Don’t really care honestly [...] offset by the fact that I don’t and never will drive.

That's some strange logic. Either you do know and you can estimate that the offset will indeed "balance it out" or you don't then you can't say one way or the other.

Your face being outside isn't your "facial data". It has to at least have that image, sure, in good enough quality, easy enough, linked to any piece of your identity, e.g. name or security number. If you just walk around and people take photo of your face, they don't have your "facial data". That's the entire reason why reverse image search and similar services exist. It is NOT an easy problem technically speaking.

Just curious, do you know even as a rough estimation (maybe via the model card) how much energy was used to train the initial model and if so how do you believe it was done so in an ecologically justifiable way?

I did spend last week biking 45min somewhere and back (so 1h30) for 4 days in a row. It's not for everyone ... but not only it's feasible but (and I know it will sound crazy to some) I actually did enjoy it. On the last day I even did the last trip with a new friend, chatting the entire ride.

Again, I'm not arguing that anybody should do that, or have fun doing, only that's it not impossible.

Anything else but driving doesn't work well in the US because the "way of life" is indeed car centric. It will never change without infrastructure, including but not limited to bike lanes. Large distances are possible with (electric) bike but this at least needs to be safe.

So... yes I'm not advocating for somebody leaving the middle of absolute nowhere to give up on their cars. This is not even about cities (as the article mentions a parking lot I assume it's next or even inside a city).

No, my point instead is to question the false dichotomy.

Batteries can be recycled, reused or repurposed. It’s nowhere near as damaging as drilling for/refining/shipping/burning oil

Why is the alternative to an EV SUV a combustion engine SUV? Why isn't cycling and public transport?

I'm not saving ICEs are good and EV are bad but that maybe... both aren't great anyway, especially when actual alternatives that make people healthier do exist.

FWIW I did try few LLMs locally too (cf my notes on the topic https://fabien.benetou.fr/Content/SelfHostingArtificialIntelligence ) but AFAIK that is only the top of the iceberg, that LLM has been trained before and that's a significant part of the cost.

Despite the ecological costs?

Please explain what you believe are the core constituent of SteamOS if they are not Steam, Proton and KDE Plasma?

steamOS isn’t the same as steam

That's precisely why I said " Steam work on these? Doesn’t Proton work on these? Doesn’t KDE Plasma work" rather than just Steam.

IMHO the biggest component of the whole setup isn't Steam itself (which is convenient to get games, manages saves, etc) or KDE Plasma (which is a nice UI) but rather Proton. None of that would work without the compatibility layer and it goes beyond Wine including thanks to all the community feedback from e.g. ProtonDB.

So I agree, SteamOS isn't Steam but that's anyway not what I suggested.

Typically LLMs aren't a problem with FOSS with licensing as pretty much anything and everything is free to use, remix, etc.

What is more of a problem is hallucinations, imagining using the wrong rm -rf ~/ command without understanding the consequence, but arguably that's hard to predict. What will always be a problem though, no matter the model, is how much energy was put into it... so that, in fine, it makes the actual documentation and some issues on StackOverflow slightly more accessible because one can do semantic search rather than full text search. Does one really need to run billion parameters models in the cloud on a remote data center for that?

Depends how you learn and what are your goals but I can recommend :

• to try right NOW risk free https://www.terminaltutor.com/
• have a cool booklet https://wizardzines.com/zines/bite-size-command-line/ and https://wizardzines.com/zines/bite-size-bash/ with matching examples https://github.com/jvns/shell-examples

... yet IMHO the real fun comes when you apply YOUR commands to YOUR files.

So yes, please do try in a safe sandbox first then when you want, when you are not rushed by a project start a terminal right there from the comfort of your desktop, then PLAY with your files after doing a backup. Trust me it won't just be fun, it will be truly empowering.

When you get stuck, come back here and do ask.

How does SteamOS do on my AMD 7950X3D with my 4090? Oh it doesn’t support those?

Hmmm maybe I'm missing something but doesn't Steam work on these? Doesn't Proton work on these? Doesn't KDE Plasma work too? Basically what's missing for you to consider it working if arguably the most important do work on it?

Asking as I use those 3 daily on my Debian desktop and... it just works. Anyway, back to play Clair Obscur, thanks a lot to Valve.