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That reminds me of two orthodox Jewish guys who were arrested on charges of antisemitic hate, by the metropolitan police, for burning an Israeli flag.

1. Equating Israel with wider Jewish-ness is actaully antisemitic, unlike burning a flag. So, the only antisemitism there was conducted by the police. The met keeping up its proud tradition of institutional racism there.
2. These boys are going to get hauled up in front of a judge on antisemitism charges, only to be asked swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth

On the fucking Torah

The reason we have such hight immigration is because companies have been allowed to run roughshod over our immigration system. All they have to do is float some job adverts and they can pretend there's a skill shortage. Corporatists have done this to stop wages from going up. I image we agree roughly so far.

Labour want a points based system and a central body overlooking what actually is a skill shortage and whats a lie. Immigration will go down, as soon as you don't have corporatists in charge.

Haven't you found it funny how reform get so much airtime, despite having only one, solitary councillor in the whole of the UK? I mean, the greens have nearly 1,000 but we don't hear a peep out of them on the big news stations. Yet reform are all 9ver the place.

Anyway, in completely unrelated news I'm sure, reform are looking to gut our NHS and they're getting huge backing, support and platforming by the lobby groups who are lickling their lips and circling like vultures hoping to gorge themselves on tax payer money and the death our NHS may be driven to by the tories.

I had a glace at your link and I think we agree on lots of things. I'm sad to see that you've been convinced that we would ever be allowed to work less, under right wing governments. Theyre the driving force of immigration, lowered wages and cut services. There's nothing to suggest labour won't reduce immigration, other than the wild declarations and made up stories of people who would never vote labour anyway.

Youre trying to fuck your way to virginity.

Never ask a man his salary, a woman her age or a neo classical economist what tax breaks for the rich doesn't fix.

Don't worry, no one here is as thick as you. Apparently, a points based system and banning companies who abuse the system is too vague and hard to understand for some of us.

"The boats" are a drop in the bucket compared to legal immigration, all cheered on by right wing corporatists. Its just a banner to distract morons.

So, what left leaving policy did they have? Remember, you had some hilarious claims about needing economic lefty-ness before. So, they must have something. I mean, it can't just be about immigration when all those factors that won you over would be included in a points based system?

Lol, we both know its not about the fine detail. Its about dog whistling.

My mind is open. Its just youre taking a load of bollocks, is all. Its really not my fault you're trying to sell these whoppers.

I'll show you how it doesn't hold up:

Exaclty who are "the left" here and what isn't going far enough, that reform has gone far enough on? Don't be light on the detail or just declare wide sweeping BS and you should find the root of the problem.

Yeah, you're thinking of America for the first part.

I mean, it would make sense, if The UK hadn't been at war with Germany and Italy for years before the Axis powers invaded the soviet Union. The day they invaded the soviet union, Britain started buying up all the wool in the world they could lay their hands on, to get at the nazis in every way possible. Despite being nearly starved into surrender and on rations nationally, the UK still sent huge amounts of aid, weapons and materials to the soviet Union, with the Arctic convoys.

Nazi Germany also gave the UK the chance to sit it out and keep their empire, as they wanted to go east and would rather use their resources on that, instead of fighting the royal navy.

The UK chose to fight the Nazis. They were drawn in by an alliance but who could have done anything about the UK changing their mind? No one could have done a thing.

So no, the reason was that Hitler was a cracked out junkie and he was preferable to one of Germany's many capable field marshals being in charge instead.

...well, technically that would be considered a ceremony of sorts.

Yahweh (who later became "god) is definitely a man, cock and all. He used to be depicted with horns or as a golden calf, with a huge, oversized novelty dong.

Theres a reason moses came back with extra commandments, the second time.

Sadly, I think you hit the nail right on the head there. People don't want complicated answers to complicated questions. As you eluded to, blaming the out-group has worked since groups existed.

Through my own fault, I think I read too deeply into the word failure lol.

If you like that, I can't recommend "capitalist realism: is there no alternative?" enough. It where I stole it from, without a hint of shame.

I mean, the guy is just falling over himself to demonstrate his ignorance of the war. British high command had loads of very easy opportunities to kill Hitler but chose not to incase someone who wasn't a speedball addicted, half crazed walking liability took over instead.

Eh, I wouldn't say its a failure of "the left." The problem is that American style neoliberalism has become the only game in town and any minor deviation is seen as dangerous extremism. Its easier to imagine the end of the world than it is to imagine the end of capitalism.

Neo classical economics is simply "economics" or even worse "just basic economics" now. Every major media outlet going has been captured or compromised. Social media is bought and paid for by the same interests too. I mean, there's some pockets of resistance here and there but the ultra wealthy control all the narratives.

To me, blaming "the left" for that and calling their resistancea failure is just bizarre. Its not like the narrative has changed or is remotely hard to comprehend. Its just that people like being told what they want to hear; that they were right all along.

They clearly prefer to be told its all those damn foreigners faults and that looking up is a waste of time.

That's why the right hate universities. Well, that and the fact they unis will call out their BS.

To normalise the idea that people who once voted "for the left ^^^tm " now voting for a hard right reform party. Because you're bored. Because it seemed funny. Who knows, why does anyone lie?

So, as "the left" aren't meeting your left wing economic planning expectations, you decided to go with a party who have NO left leaning economic plans. Well, id love to hear how you plan to square that circle.

Of course I can accept that people have different opinions to me. What a silly thing to say. No, sadly, its that it sounds like bollocks and it doesn't hold up to any scrutiny, is all.

Yes, all of them

Course you did and it's their fault youre voting farrage too....

"Da left" haven't done anything at all, seeing as they haven't been in power for over 2 decades. Thats why your claim makes no sense.

Oh, it makes you send a message alright. Although, its not the one you think you're sending.

British curries are very different to Indian ones. Far more different than "more cheese and bread", like American style pizza.

Youre kind of making my point. My point was much more "if you think that's bad, you should see this" as opposed to "it can't be done." For example, the curries from the UK are very different to anything youd get on the Indian sub-continent.

Claiming apple pie is a outrageous though.

The circle is complete

I mean, not being that popular in the place it was invented doesn't mean Americans can claim to have invented it which is the subject at hand.