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Fair enough, thats a few.

True but I feel a lot of that would net off against trump also being old and losing it, as well as all the other things coming out about him that should be front page news.

Even then, he stepped aside and put his country first. Thats something trump would never do.

Its hard to say. His supporters would consider simply telling the truth about the things trump does/has done to be reporting on him negatively. There's also a lot of negative things to say about him and the people he represents. The media isn't all the same either. Social media like X is owned by a huge trump supporter, who will be looking to paint trump positively.

Honestly, he tried to overthrow your democracy and then loaded up supreme judges to pervert the democratic choice of the majority of the country. He's had security provided at republican meetings by the "three percenters" white supremacist group. Hes just told everyone he's going to "fix voting." So, he about to have a second shot at what he tried on January 6.

The press he gets isn't nearly negative enough.

Much like the whole "kills 99.9% of bacteria" its nearly to impossible prove beyond any doubt that all of something is completely, 100% devoid of something else in all instances. Being able to detect one egg or not isn't the problem here.

Its like you want to find something wrong with what was said so bad that you didn't fully pay attention to it.

Registrations for the registration throne!

Its so mad that we have such a literal example of exactly what happens, due to prohibition, yet society refuses to see like for like. The mafia simply used the exact same routes to smuggle heroin. They didn't disappear or die out, due to alcohol prohibition ending. They got into bed with the CIA, under operation gladio. What they did with crack wasn't the first or the biggest example.

Like you said, you can't people abusing substances. They remain illegal because somewhere some very powerful people are making too much money from them remaining so.

I want to live in a world where "stop cutting bits of babies dicks off" doesn't require any further explanation.

"No, actually, its you who needs to justify cutting bits of babies dicks off. Not the other way round. Unless its hair, nails or connected to the mum, the default position is actually not to cut bits of the baby off."

Its good that people aren't using Facebook for news but theres a different problem with things like Google, reddit or even here in a way. So, I'm not saying I'm above it but I'm just old enough to remember before everyone was on the internet. I'm sure theres others here too.

Say you had a friend called dave and he was someone kept coming up wild and ridiculous ideas and believing them. So much so that one day, dave decided that Tuesdays weren't real. He said it was actually just one long Monday and its a government conspiracy to make us sleep longer.

Now, back in the d, if he tried to float these ideas with other people at work, home or the pub, he would be told that he was wrong and to go away, in no uncertain terms. He might evem check with experts in the field at Universities, for example, and they would tell him the same thing. Although, probably more politely.

Now days, dave will just go Google and he's not going to type "are Tuesdays real?", like a sucker. No, dave already knows they're not real, with a deranged certainty. Instead, he types "Tuesdays aren't real" which neatly takes him to Tuesdaysarentreal.com. There he meets like minded people and is invited sign up to donate and visit their sister site Wednesdaysarentreal.com. Dave had always been skeptical of Wednesday too. So he sighed up to both immediately.

Being particularly ignorant and outspoken, dave quickly rises through the ranks, eventually taking charge. Once there, he uses the money people have donated to start a political party which draws the attention of the local news, hoping to make fun of them for some easy ratings.

Hoeever, the clip of daves unhinged rant on the news goes viral which actually end up attracting 10s of 000s of people that never would have heard of them otherwise. The party then becomes self funding and snowballs as businesses see the productivity boost they could have through being able to deny people sleep and the outrage traffic that, in turn, generates.

Finally, dave takes power and dooms us all to an eternal Monday.

The 90s and the early 00s had their problems but they also could be magical. You could save the whole world through simple phrases like "fuck off dave you doughnut. Tuesdays are real."

Its not just honest defaulting they have to deal with. What most people aren't made aware of is that when banks etc. lend money to people, the bank creates that money right there and then. Just like typing it into an excel sheet and pressing enter. Through this, private banks create 80% of the money in our system: not the national bank who make the rest which includes all the physical money.

Essentially, we've given private banks the licence to print our money and no one seems to think that there might be a problem with that idea.

So, much like the financial crash, there's no reason not to suspect this is going to have a huge element of banks just creating loads of money for themselves to use.

Those that aren't unable to pay off loans are running out of money too but aren't taking out new loans to buy new things. So, there's no new credit lines being made, in which these things can be lost, a bit like in a ponzi scheme but in reverse. Its also one of the reasons inflation (too much money chasing too few things) is so high. Covid was the perfect time to do it, due to all the loans being issued (money being created). You don't hide a needle in a haystack. You hide it in a giant pile of needles.

Paying back to loans and paying tax actaullt destroys money too. So, another reason we have too much money is not taxing the rich fairly but tbats another story. Governments create money and then takes tax. What isn't destroyed is the deficit.

Thats probably because I never said its provably 100% free. So, no wonder it didn't sound right.

I said no detectable level is acceptable. If you detect any in there, its bad.

I don't know why but it reminds me of an American friend I had who couldn't beleive we didn't have limits on the amount maggots/maggots eggs allowed in fruit juice.

They refused to drink any fruit juice here until it had to be explained to them that the reason that there's no acceptable limit on maggots/maggots eggs in our fruit juice is because ANY amount of maggot is over the acceptable amount.

Not their fault of course. We only know what we're used to.

Any specific examples of these bad things? I agree that its not you, its the cult that are the problem but I have to check.

I get that. I'm just saying the double standard is kind of wild. I mean, its not like anyone ever would come out and say "yeah, our candidate (much like the other candidate) was too old for this job 10 years ago. Hes lost it. Dont vote for him." Thats not been the nature of politics for the past 100 years.

We had the media running back to back reels about Biden age but virtually nothing on the sexual assault he lost a libel case over denying, the now unsealed rape allegations, the russian oligarchs buying up his properties at 10× market rate or his extensive relationship with epstien which are all far bigger issues.

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Careful mate

It also doesn't account for corporate price gouging or the fact that the only reason people go hungry in the world is because letting them starve is more profitable than feeding them even the leftovers and about-to-go-off.

As well as what you said, theres also no reason not the presume the number could be much lower too.

Okay, so, I'll tryagain, what bad things that "they" say about Trump are true, if nearly all of it is lies?

People who don't want to vote for trump have been fucked over for decades too. So, it can't be that. If true, it must be something else.

You say that yet most data-driven white collar workers, like yourself, don't vote for trump. So, that doesn't make any sense. You've just presumed yourself to be superior and to know better than everyone else, despite the data.

In fact, its my own data driven career and analysis of the numbers and not the wild declarations of a 72 year old fellow that made me beleive what is said about trump and not the other way round.

Its bizzare that you focus of the grain of sand that is Biden maybe, possibly, somewhere, sometime, being called the very unquantifiable and relative term of "sharpe" and not the metric fuck tonnes of lies told in favour of trump that are believed without question by his cult. Even stranger still is that you expect the other side to play with a completely, 100% straight bat when their opponent has literally tried to overthrow Americam democracy and doesn't care if their guy is a racist paedophile rapist wholl tell every lie under the sun if they think it will help them. I'm not even saying that he 100% is or isn't. I'm saying they wouldn't care and would follow him anyway.

That's what falling for propaganda and being cult-like looks like.

So, just to be clear, its everyone else in the world who's wrong and susceptible to propaganda and your little cult whos correct?

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure you've been groomed into knee-jerk dismissing anything bad anyone ever says about trump as propaganda, before you've even had a chance to consciously think about it. However, that's not the same as your wild and baseless dismissals being the right thing to do. It just means that you have been conditioned to ignore the evidence of your eyes and ears.

What makes you immune to this "propaganda" that all those who fall for it lack? Which bad bits are true then, if its only "nearly all of it" that's wrong.

He's infamous. That's not the same as famous. He's infamous for being wold class at being slimy, racist and immoral but, despite this, still managing to have a cult of brain dead sycophants who worship his every action.

The reason people say trump is bad and repelling is Trumps own actions and words. The difference is that those people that find him to be exactly that haven't been groomed into rejecting the evidence of their eyes and ears.

If a university beleives you have contributed a significant level of research / furthered a field of study to a certain point, then they can offer an honorary doctorate. Its like saying you've done the equivalent of a PhD thesis but didn't do the PhD student part.

As opposed to non fascist nazis?

I just don't get how you could vote for someone as old as trump.

Theres also god who is "both but neither." You know, non binary. Well, he was biologically a man with a giant, oversized novelty penis but came out as non binary to mosses.

Have you tried suspending your assumption of good faith, on their part?

Employers paying the least they can get away with?

Well, thats just good business.

Employees working the least they can get away with, I response to this?

Those lazy good for nothing.....