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I'm complaining about the battery station model, not about the EV in general.

I have a few points to point out:

1. Battery pack recycle is still expensive and complex. It isn't an engine block you can disassemble, melt, and mold for something else.
2. Ownership is a huge problem. This ties tightly to right to repair. Say your car broke down, now you're almost certainly need to go through the dealer or the manufacture because the battery isn't yours.
3. This impacts the life expectancy of the vehicle. Once the battery model for your car is EOL, you either stuck with the last battery swapped in, or worst you need to return the battery and have a non-functional car.
4. Resell value. Battery is one of the most critical component on an EV. You might not able to resell it at a satisfaction price as you don't have a battery, even it is fitted a leased one as the next owner need to pay the subscription continuously.

Actually, I'm not a fan of ICEV nor EV. ICEV pollutes when they run, EV pollutes when they need to be disassemble and recycle. It is simply not happening in front of your eyes doesn't mean it is not. We all need to look at the overall carbon footprint (I can't think of another better word), from manufacturing to the end of life. For EV and its battery, starts from mining rare earth elements.

I'm more on to the Hydrogen Vehicle, especially fuel cells. IMO the development in this low, and small (at least I don't see much news about it).

it comes with removable batteries which you can charge on your own

so it is your battery and got additional batteries you can swap on the road with a subscription? That looks promising.

However, this works for scooters is because the battery pack is small enough for hand carry and install. It won't be on typical 4-wheel vehicles as those are about a thousand pound. Even if we can modular and miniaturize it like how Gogoro does, where to install it is a big problem. Obviously we can't install it in the front compartment as that will be a fire hazard when crash.

Isn't the whole thing about who owns the tank?

That just proofs my point in https://lemmy.ml/comment/11726077

Once they get you on the hook, they can only provide the subscription option, much like how software (Adobe, I'm looking at you) does today. Or have the one-time purchase option be super expensive to lure customers into the subscription model.

Simply because continous revenue is batter then a one-time purchase.

Gas is more like pas-as-you-go. Battery no so sure. And they are different by nature: gas can't be reused, batteries can.

But for gas you don't need to worry ownership problem as you can't reuse gas. Once it is burnt, it's gone.

Batteries are different because you can recharge it, which brings ownership problem into sight. And unlike gas tank for your grill, which the port is somewhat universal and shape doesn't matter too much. Car batteries have wear level that affects performamce (range) and are likely designed to fit a car/platform. It isn't that interchangeable.

That "substantially identical" is up for heavy debate.

The ownership is still questionable. Even if that's the case, you're stuck with the battery you last swapped in, which you don't know the wear level or how long it will last.

I will take ownership over leasing as a 200 miles range is more than enough for me. But you will see if the leasing model works out, they will only have leasing left for you as that's a continous money flow. Or have the battery be super expensive to discourage you buy it.

What if they EOL the battery and stops the leasing program? Now the perfectly fine car is non functional because it's missing a battery. If I replace it, I'm just contributing more waste, not in materal but energy. Is that the "green" future we all after?

Subscription for my car? Don't we have too much subscriptions already?

And neither solve the ownship problem, and a tons of other problems.

I don't oppose the idea of battery station, but who owns the battery then? When I bought the car, am I leasing the battery? How about used car?

Any UK registrar recommended?

No wonder why some reported my mail fall into spam dispite I rarely sent any. God. I had it for almost 10 years already, and migrating would be painful.

You sure you can train a model deterministically down to each bits? Like feeding them into sha256sum will yield the same hash?

Not just LLMs but all kinds of models are equivlant to freeware, aka the model itself and other essential bits for it to work. I won't even call it source avaliable as there is no source.

Take redis as example. I can still go grab the source and compile a binary that works. This doesn't applies on ML models.

Of course one can argue the training process isn't determistic thus even with the exact training corpus, it can't create the same model in terms of bits on mulitple runs. However, I would argue the same corpus provide the chance to train a model of similar or equivalent performance. Hence the openness of the training corpus is an absolute requirement to qualify a model being FOSS.

So you're including free models like freeware, not FOSS only, by non big tech.

Your choice of models will be quite limited as the compute resource and training corpus needed to make a viable base model isn't anyone can do.

The title implies eveyone would have at least 1 reason to like Apple.

I don't.

What's FOSS-AI? A model everyone can download and use for free? Or in the OSS spirit that everything need to be open and without discrimination of use, aka OSS training data corpus and no AUP attached?

Or you mean the inference engine running those models?