ubergeek @ ubergeek @lemmy.today

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So, USAID dollars are moving now? Last I checked, no, and the lawyer said "I don't have any answers to your questions"....

A perfect breeding ground for growing localized power structures that aren’t bound to anything holding them back

Ok, read up a little about anarchism, and come back to the discussion. I can provide a starter primer, if you like.

To gain control over it as a society (i.e. democracy) is one of the greatest achievements of mankind.

The only control is the ruling class over the working class. I don't think that's a great achievement.

If the executive branch does not comply, the next step is pressing charges. Failure to do so would be a constitutional crisis.

They already have refused to abide by the orders... And then all we got was "Well, we'll check back later, and see if you complied yet".

I don’t think using “haha they might be kissing each other! Musk sucks Trumps dick!” is somehow effective criticism of actual fascists in office.

It is, for them.

Especially having Trump be "the bottom".

Ever watch Shameless, the US version? Its along the same lines as Terry, Mickey's dad. He only hated Mickey because he was catching, because "It aint gay if you're doing the fucking, just if you get fucked".

So, in this case, yes, making implications of gay sex happening, with Trump catching, is VERY effective at it.

Jesus christ, the general was citing something he thought was a quote...

He didn't make that shit up. Like I said, Lenin wrote something similar years before.

Is it intact?

I'm hardly claiming "superiority" here...

when confronted with their own ignorance, invents a “working class zeitgeist” to gesture towards as if that means jack or shit.

Name the right winger who purportedly created the "quote"... Otherwise, the best answer is "Groups of people, created this meme, over time, by combining misquotes into the final product here".

So, as I said, it was created via the zeitgeist of the time among the working class.

He literally is a convicted felon, who escaped jail only because he was running for POTUS.

That’s not a constitutional crisis, it’s a failure of our court system.

Those are one and the same.

Anarchism is never an answer

This isn't anarchism, as described. Anarchism, like actual anarchism, is the only likely solution, imo. No gods, no masters, no idols.

It is true that fascism cannot be beat peacefully, but we should never want them to suffer

This is true. We should rapidly give them a lead injection, rather than have them suffer.

You mean like when a person who organized an insurrection, and was found not eligible for office, still takes office?

The next step is the DoJ sends the US Marshalls to arrest the President

The DoJ is owned by Trump, so I don't think they'll be doing that.

"Lenin wrote, “When it comes time to hang the capitalists, they will vie with each other for the rope contract.” —Major George Racey Jordan"

So, someone quoted as misattributing a quote, is a source?

Did you read this? The article says Marx and Lenin never said it, and that it was misattributed to them. In fact the last link in that article corroborates what I’m saying.

Yes, I did. It says the source is unknown. It doesn't say the source is a Reich Winger.

On that note, ask Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht about following the working class zeitgeist to occupy Vorwarts.

Yes, I know, people have mis-attributed quotes.

However, the original idea: "Capitalists will sell us the rope to hang them with" is in no way false. Its very accurate. And it's an idea that was distilled down by the working class into the pithy quote here.

So yes, get a grip, and get to work organizing the working class. Stop worrying about people doing propaganda of the deed, if you're too scared to do it yourself. Punch up and right, never left.

We can’t riot like the French do; we’ll lose our jobs and our healthcare and our houses.

If we don't riot, we're likely to lose our jobs, our healthcare, and our homes.

He didn't say that, exactly... He said something kinda similar in idea.

https://checkyourfact.com/2019/11/29/fact-check-karl-marx-capitalist-hang-sold-rope-quote/

So, on that note of you feeling some sort of superiority, because you think you know for a fact, the source is a Reich Winger, when the "source" is working class zeitgeist.

Much like how no one person came up with the "When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and waving a cross." line, or "And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music."

All of those were created via a game of "telephone", and modified to their current form by the zeitgeist of the working class.

As I said, the working class did not invent it, it was invented by a righg winger and picked up by leftists who want to feel badass.

That's... Just not true. It might have come from a somewhat similar expression purported to be written by Lenin in a letter... Maybe. It has since been picked up by those on the left, and made into what it is today.

But action without theory is a death sentence.

So it theory and no action. Propaganda of the deed works. Like, in this case, it is serving to show the working class that the time to really act is NOW, not later. The more of these happen, the more people jump in.

Again, I’m not against armed resistance, don’t try and strawman me. The Deacons of Defense and Justice, the Black Panthers and various other armed movements are worth studying and in part emulating.

So, do you think they never shot at people?

We check the source for our info, and the source is the right wing political establishment not the “working class,” who has a right to defend itself – but this ain’t it.

What source do you have for that? Historians completely disagree on your claim...

You’re damn right I’m quick to jump on it, and for good reason.

Maybe not so much mate...

Your theoretical knowledge is so non existent that the only left wing “theory” you know well enough to quote, is in fact, right wing political theory

So quick to jump on this... Neither Marx nor Lenin said it.

Who said it? The working class created that "meme", and spread it widely.

So, about your purported "knowledge superiority"... Its not false. Where do you think the firearms the working class will use are going to come from? Capitalists are more than happy to sell them to us.

Could be right-on-right violence.

We can hope! Setting the enemies against each other is always a win for us, the working class.

Feds are big on protecting oligarchs. If feds were big on interstate commerce, they'd be arresting the governor of Texas for interfering in it.

What is shooting up a dealership going to accomplish? What’s the political message?

"The oligarchs are not safe. You sold us the rope, and now we're looking to use it."