Defederation from Lemmygrad.ml
Most of lemmygrad.ml are lemmy.ml users saying the silent part out loud on a separate instance so they don't get lemmy.ml defederated.
Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
If you want to engage with extreme stances, go to instances (like lemmygrad.ml) where the extremists hang out. Don't insist that I need to engage with the fuckers myself. Knock yourself out and engage. I'll stay here where I feel, you know, semi-comfortable.
Reading is a skill you never developed, isn't it?
It would be good practice if admins would link a selection of the offensive material. That would allow both sides to debate how they judge such behavior.
Are you paying the bills? No? Are you doing the moderation? No? Are you doing any work for this site in any meaningful capacity? No?
Then fuck off and shut the fuck up about how they run it. Go to lemmygrad.ml if you think there's no bad behaviour there.
Paradox of tolerance lifts its ugly head again, I see.
The problem with "perhaps challenge their beliefs" as an approach is, well, I don't know about you, but I'm here for information and entertainment, not for dealing with Nazis and other forms of authoritarian scum. If this place becomes just another battleground in the fucked-up "culture war" the PTBs insist on stoking, I'm not going to engage, I'm going to leave. Which means all you see, then, over time, on "perhaps challenge their beliefs" Freeze Peach sites is ... the shitheads.
Both those sites are larger than lemmygrad.ml so it's expected more shit will flow from there. Unlike, however, lemmygrad.ml the admins of both those sites seem to try to rein in the chaos themselves, thus leaving the workload here on lemmy.world lighter, so there's no need to defederate. The admins of lemmygrad.ml not only won't control their mob, they egg them on.
Thank you for not being a Freeze Peach site!
Especially since the lead devs of Lemmy are probably on lemmygrad.ml as well as lemmy.ml...
I'm wondering if you're trolling or just ignorant. I'll do you the respect of assuming ignorance.
There will always be hate speech in any forum. Period. This cannot be stopped short of closing the forum down entirely. If, however, the hate speech is low volume, it can be dealt with individually with post deletion, user bans, community deletions, etc. Standard "tactical" moderation techniques.
But...
Shitholes like lemmygrad.ml release a veritable flood of hate speech, as do their right-wing "Freeze Peach!" equivalents. Individual, tactical moderation does not scale to that level without a whole lot more money than a hobbyist-run instance can bring to bear. Thus if hate speech and calls for violence reach the point where tactical moderation can no longer keep up, you start with the strategic moderation. In older-style forums that might be an IP ban. In the Fediverse it's defederation.
See how that works?
Now please, prove to me you're not trolling and simply didn't understand how things work.
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I'll go a step farther. Respect should be the default stance when meeting someone.
But ...
If someone shows disrespect from the get-go (and that includes wearing Nazi paraphernalia or other such hate symbols), fuck 'em in the ear with a rusty, spiked dildo.
First, Hong Kong's COVID policies were relaxed at about the same time (within a week or so) of when they were relaxed in mainland China. They were stricter for a while than most of mainland China, yes, but so were most major port cities' (like Guangzhou's) because, well, you know, massive influx of outsiders means you go a bit more carefully rather than opening the flood gates willy-nilly. "Let 'er rip" is a grossly irresponsible policy for disease control.
Second, Hong Kong's COVID controls have been shut off completely. Eyeballing this it looks like around June of this year (so six months after the relaxation and about three months after their elimination in Wuhan). I'd have to dig deeper for more precise dates and policies.
Third, and this is the key point, you are entirely, 100% ignorant of how Chinese governance actually works. You have a "cartoon villain" view of authoritarianism and it shows. How it really works is the central government (who are, make no mistake, a crowd of hypocritical, authoritarian assholes!) sets policy and goals. They will also make strong recommendations on process, but actual on-the-ground procedures are run by provincial-, prefectural-, and city-scale government (as appropriate). Indeed this can fall down fractally to individual neighbourhoods in many cases. So even in the midst of the COVID-19 crisis, the city of Wuhan's procedures and regulations were completely and utterly different from, say, Dalian's, or Zhengzhou's, or Chongqings, or ... you get the drift. (This, incidentally, caused all kinds of trouble for people trying to travel and/or do business across provinces and cities. A lot of people visiting Wuhan, for instance, wound up cooling their heels in quarantine when coming from, say, Nanchang because they didn't follow the complex web of regulations surrounding travel to Wuhan.)
Now of course if you don't follow the central government's advised procedures, and if your results are a fuck-up, you're in deep shit. (Ask the pre-2020 government of Wuhan or the pre-2020 Hubei health authorities ... oh, wait, you can't. Most of them were removed for incompetence; the rest were executed for malfeasance in handling the outbreak.) Basically at that point a team from Beijing is parachuted in to take the reins directly until competent people can be found to take over.
So ...
What this means is that the procedures in Hong Kong? Those are brought in by the Hong Kong government, not by Beijing. Now the truth is they're likely being harder on things than other cities because they don't want the bureaucratic paratroopers to be invoked on them, but this doesn't change the fact that the people effecting those (now shut down, I should stress) procedures were the HONG KONG government, not the Beijing government.
Now as for Urumqi vs. Hong Kong, let's take a look at the full names of both of those territories and see if we can't see a reason for why the difference between their handling.
- Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region
- Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China
Do you see some key differences in their legal status perhaps? If you can't, I'll summarize for you: both are "autonomous" in that they have their own legislatures and can enact their own laws that are different from the rest of China. But the SARs have extreme levels of autonomy and thus extreme levels of responsibility. And your laughable "peaceful protests" in Hong Kong were nothing of the sort. (I don't view pouring gasoline on an elderly man and lighting him on fire "peaceful". Nor do I view putting flaming barricades on the metro system "peaceful". Perhaps your standards are different from mine.)
But, again, law enforcement in Hong Kong is Hong Kong's. The "PLA" (in reality "PAP" but I don't expect people outside China to actually give enough of a shit to know the difference, important as it is) isn't even allowed to operate in Hong Kong; they garrison there but can't leave that garrison (as a force, I mean: obviously they can go to town as individuals) without explicit invocation by the Hong Kong government. So that "oppression" you're seeing of "peaceful" fire-using protestors? That is, again, Hong Kong's own police force under Hong Kong's own government.
Now are they doing this because they fear Beijing coming in and just rubbing them out and taking direct control? Indubitably. (In that regard they're like the MPAA being fucking morons with movie ratings because they were afraid of government censorship, so did worse than what the government was likely to have ever done.) The Hong Kong Executive, Legislature, and Judiciary does not want to be removed and replaced, so they are likely being "tough on crime" to appease their Beijing overlords. (Kind of like how American politicians are "tough on crime" to appease the bloodthirsty masses.)
But in the end it is, in fact, the Hong Kong government and the Hong Kong Police Force, neither of which is part of the Beijing apparatus, that is cracking down on the "peaceful" protestors.
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No, OP is right. You should respect the people who think you're subhuman. It's the only way ... to be treated as subhuman, packed into train cars to be exterminated as subhuman and, you know, all the other good things that go along with respecting the people who want you dead.
OP is on to something.
/s ← it's sad that this is needed, but hey, it's the InnarWebTubes
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That is, it’s in our collective best interest to respect everyone without exception. I suppose it’s hard if you’re just intellectual weak, but don’t choose to be a coward.
Whenever I see someone making the claim that we should respect everyone, it rarely takes much deep diving to find them being disrespectful. It is rare, however, to find that disrespect in the very post where they're calling for everybody to be respectful.
So kudos, dude. You undermined your own high ideals while expressing them. Fuckin'-A man.
Canadians divided on talk of sexual orientation: bigots vs. non-bigots.
That pretty much identifies most divides on social issues.
I've spent 23 years living "under" (what an odd choice of word: I'd use "in" myself) China.
What specific things do you think I've missed in my 23 years that you know everything about?
It's not victim blaming to say something is your fault for choosing the wrong parents to be born to! Sheesh!
Ah. I'd misunderstood what you meant. I thought you were including the Métis among the First Nations. My bad.
Your hard work makes rich people richer.
Dude. I literally said the fucking opposite. Read what's in front of you, not what the voices in your head are telling you is there. I'll leave finding this as an exercise for the student: see if you can find where I said the exact fucking opposite of this. Then come back and talk like an adult instead of a tantrum-throwing toddler.
The Canadian government covers up Tiananmen? That's news to me. I'm going to need some citations here.
Given that you couldn't read very plain statements that are directly the opposite of what you said, and that you made idiotic assumptions on top of that, I'm going to go with "yeah, dumb fuck is wrong" until you show some basic reading ability and stop stupid assumptions.