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  • The relevant parts of the comment thread was about the claim that the model is open source. Below, you will find the subject of the comments bolded, for your better understanding of the conversation at hand:

    Deepseek is a Chinese AI company that released Deepseek R1, a direct competitor to ChatGPT.

    You forgot to mention that it’s open source.

    Is it actually open source, or are we using the fake definition of “open source AI” that the OSI has massaged into being so corpo-friendly that the training data itself can be kept a secret?

    many more inane comments...

    And your most recent inane comment...

    That’s something they included, just like open source games include content. I would not say that the model itself (DeepSeek-V3) is open source, but the tech is. It is such an obvious point that I should not have to state it.

    Well, cool. No one ever claimed that "the tech" was not included or that parts of their process were open sourced. You answered a question that no one asked. The question was asking if the model itself is actually open source. No one has been able to substantiate the claim that the model is open source, which has made talking to you a giant waste of time.

  • After reading the lkml, it really does seem like the C dev just being hostile to Rust. The C dev just outright refuses to accept any of the compromises from the Rust dev, and is pretty rude about it.

    Idk why, but some of these people need to hear that languages are not a team sport and fighting and being hostile to people about it just makes the Linux kernel worse.

  • They did not release the final model without the data

    They literally did exactly that. Show me the training data. If it has been provided under an open source license, then I'll revise my statement.

    You literally cannot create a useful LLM without the training data. That is a part of the framework used to create the model, and they kept that proprietary. It is a part of the source. This is such an obvious point that I should not have to state it.

  • You're conflating game engines being open source with the games themselves being proprietary. Proprietary products can use (some) open source things, but it doesnt make the end product open source.

    Given that LLMs literally need the training data to be worth anything, releasing the final model without training data is not open source.

  • Reactionaries had pretty decent success with pushing Bud Light and Target rightward (during the Biden years).

    If you can make a big thing of it and viscously target a single company, it could work. Might as well try 🤷

    It's not like boycotting stuff can't be done at the same time as more direct advocacy. If anything, they complement each other.

  • I love my Steam Deck, but I can barely play most games on low settings and I get like 40-50 FPS with a 90Hz screen.

    We need more powerful hardware. I'd prefer that it comes from Valve, but I'll take what I can get, as long as it's optimized for SteamOS/Linux.

  • I disagree with this characterization of Linux devs. They're just people. I'm sure there are some shitheads out there, but I don't think it's anymore the case than with any other sample of software devs.

    I think the more likely reason that accessibility technology is an afterthought in Linux is because it's an afterthought in pretty much all software, which is a bad thing, but I haven't seen them be elitist about accessibility.

    Some of the problem really is just that Linux graphical capabilities have been challenging enough enough that doing some of the extra demanding things that various access capabilities require weren't possible until recently (and some of them still aren't possible).

  • Yeah. I'm sad to say that, about a year ago, I switched back to macOS because it handles accessibility waaaaay better. And I don't even use screen readers. It sounds like their situation is even worse :/

    I just need the ability to easily zoom in and out using Super+scroll up/down (without causing performance issues or visual jank) and trackpad gestures that aren't extremely limited. Granted, both of these things may be more of a DE thing, but wherever the issue lies, I would like them fixed.

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  • You can also fork proprietary code that is source available (depending on the specific terms of that particular proprietary license), but that doesn't make it open source.

    Fair point about llama not having open weights though. So it's not as proprietary as llama. It still shouldn't be called open source if the training data that it needs to function is proprietary.

  • My use of the word "stealing" is not a condemnation, so substitute it with "borrowing" or "using" if you want. It was already stolen by other tech oligarchs.

    You can call the algo open source if the code is available under an OSS license. But the larger project still uses proprietary training data, and therefor the whole model, which requires proprietary training data to function is not open source.

  • I mean, god bless 'em for stealing already-stolen data from scumfuck tech oligarchs and causing a muti-billion dollar devaluation in the AI bubble. If people could just stop laundering the term "open source", that'd be great.