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Does difficulty matter? Any communist revolution will be more difficult than establishing a network of cooperatives. I believe that if there is a desire for Socialism, people will spend the time to establish cooperatives.

We simply talk about different things. Initial funding comes with different risks.

I think established cooperatives should issue bonds for expansion.

New cooperatives cannot issue bonds because nobody can judge the risk. They have to do a startup and sell shares in a company that owns the assets. But why should the founders limit themselves and do the opposite of Zuckerberg and give their influence away by just owning one vote in the participating cooperative?

How is UBI linked to trash?

Ok, you were convinced. I mean the search for how to finance cooperatives should only be done when investors don't hesitate to buy cooperative bonds.

It's not new but also not tried in a convincing way.

I believe that it is possible and that it's worth trying until a working combination is found.

That's the spirit

Or cooperatives don't issue bonds because they believe that nobody will buy them.

It's the perfect investment for people who don't want to participate in the usual capitalism.

No I haven't.

But I expect that the search for people who want to participate in an expanding cooperative is the bigger problem.

Do you know of a cooperative that wants to issue bonds?

So all the clever squirrels die of malnutrition?

Makes me wonder which mechanism has limited human intelligence.

Investors want to make money above all. You can issue bonds with favorable interest rates as long as you have a solid business.

Start creating it

What else can be done besides talking to other parents to change it? There should be motivation to change it, at least for the next generation.

You can have cooperatives right now.

No. Disaster only allows capitalists to sell food for everything you have once there is no surplus of food anymore.

If you want something better, you better start now. And no, there won't be a revolution. But you can think of better policies and convince a majority.

Give it some years and there will be an endless stream of generated content.

Also, reality is starting to imitate fantasy. Current conflicts promise to become as entertaining, albeit with less compassion and hope. But that could be cause to help reality become like it (again).

Thus, the purest representation of hope (post from yesterday)

There is...

That's when you are on a diet.

Sometimes I have the impression that we are on a diet of the future. Why do we waste our time on silly political conflicts when we could better invent the future faster?

gorgeous deer

You make it sound like you are just envious that the donkey is already taken

It's fight club 2.0

If they are not allowed to question the fabric of their culture, their mind finds another way to compensate.