tomatopathe @ tomatopathe @sh.itjust.works

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Dismissing something for being a fallacy is also a fallacy

Lol

Also, someone pointing out hypocrisy of other nations shouldn't be seen as a bad thing, especially if it's pointing out the hypocrisy of the most powerful and influential nation to ever exist.

I didn't realize Ukraine was the most powerful nation to ever exist.

Well then discuss.

What justifies the torture, rape, pillage, kidnapping, Russia has inflicted on Ukraine?

That's all well and good, but that's never taught at all to Russians and ignored by tankies.

And if you actually read your dumb narrative, your first paragraph is contradicted by your second. You really need to work on your story.

Here's the truth: the USSR, like Nazi Germany, was an authoritarian expansionist nightmare that was happy to get Poland for free. They only fight the Nazis because they had to. And Stalin was a shit strategist.

One thing they always forget to mention is the USSR was allied to Nazi Germany in order to partition Poland.

No doubt the Soviets suffered greatly in WW2, and contributed greatly to the allied victory. On the other hand they did not do it alone, and they certainly did not expect to have to fight the Germans at all, at least not at that point.

It's a conscript army. They shouldn't be.

Why should Russia strategically be required to invade exactly?

I've never heard a cogent argument on this point.

If the opposition supports the enemy, you perhaps should.

Edit: you asshats think Russia should allow pro-Ukraine parties to run for the Duma, or the presidency? Or is it always a double standard with you?

Whataboutism is literally a logical fallacy. We are talking about Russia, so talk about Russia.

25% ish of the Russian population live in huts and shit in holes in outhouses for a lack of plumbing (mostly ethnic minorities), all while the ruling Mafia collects yachts and private jets, and launches wars.

I'm not saying there isn't wealth inequality elsewhere, but how about a bit of perspective here. Russia cannot actually conscript too many ethnic Russians or use them as cannon fodder, since that is the only ethnicity in Russia that matters politically, since they are the middle class. Instead they send the colonized people, who happen to be those who shit in holes for a lack of plumbing.

If they held elections Russia would bomb the polling sites.

It's dangerous and costly, and r/n Ukraine is under martial law for good reason.

Such a worthless use of brain cells. Imagine being the product of billions of years of evolution and becoming that.

So from having had a few exchanges with pro Russian accounts on Lemmy (which seems to be infested with a few very active ones) this is a summary of their arguments:

• "Ukraine is Nazi"
• "Well far right parties got a total of under 6% of the vote, and they elected a Jewish man president"
• "yeah but Bandera and whatabout America"

• "Ukraine killed ethnic Russians"
• "A huge percentage of their population are ethnic Russians, including in government, and they are fine, and were until the Russian invasion. And now it's Russia that has killed, maimed and raped more ethnic Russians, including civilians, than Ukraine every did or even could. Including their own people thorough incompetence and corruption".
• "Yeah but Bandera, and whatabout America"

• "Ukraine is fighting because they are forced to by their colonial masters, the USA and NATO, and Ukrainians will keep dying so long as they keep being armed"
• "Actually > 90% of the population wants to continue fighting for their country back, so what you're basically saying is you think Ukrainians should be abandoned to Russian enslavement"
• "Yeah but Bandera, and whatabout America"

• "NATO and USA are colonialists and this is just more colonialism"
• "Actually both Russia and China are actual, bone fide land empires, with ethnic minorities that are forced to live like colonized people - including doing the fighting for Russia while their families back home live in misery and squalor and Putin's Mafia collect mansions, private jets and yachts"
• "Yeah but Bandera, and whatabout America"

Nobody is forcing Ukraine to fight. > 90% want their country back, based on latest polls.

Oooh so now you go from "Russia is the bestest, Ukraine nazis" to "whuddabout" as you run out of anything constructive to say.

Yeah Nazis elected a Jewish man president. You truly do believe such bullshit.

In the meantime the real Nazis were in an alliance with Russia until the Russians were betrayed.

Here is something constructive: the Russian Mafia state might just collapse soon, giving a window to hundreds of colonized peoples, like Chechens, Dagestanis, Mongols, Tatars, etc, a chance for freedom.

As if Snowden is free, lol.

Oooh, what a great comeback.

In the meantime 1/4 of Russians shit in a hole in the ground for lack of plumbing while their children die in Ukraine with shit equipment so that Putin and his Mafia can collect mansions, private jets and yachts.

If the CIA really wanted to kill Russians they couldn't have done it better.

It adds plenty. You are shilling for the worst, most russophobic, thieving, murderous, most brutal mafia in the world.

Then maybe - and I know this sounds radical - just downvote and scroll past it.