TimmyDeanSausage @ timmy_dean_sausage @lemmy.world

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Add factorio to this and it's perfect

According to their big boy story book, god killed the entire human race once because he gave them free will and didn't like how they turned out. That's supposed to be the actions of a just god..

My and my SO's grandparents have all moved on from fox to the daily wire. :/

This is one of those things that's really hard to explain to anyone that isn't a minority, but I think you did a really good job conveying the nuance of it. I, as a white man, would likely never know about this side of human interactions if I wasn't gay. And it's not just with people fetishizing you. People will be similarly underhanded with their hatefulness too. People do these little micro-expressions that, when looked at as one odd expression, can be explained away. But, when you are the person these expressions are regularly directed towards, and it's the same person consistently being weird towards you, you start to see trends. Sometimes you can pickup on these trends right away, with new people. Because it's a fully intuition-based thing rooted in years of spotting these trends, it can be hard even explaining it to ourselves sometimes.. Like, "why am I getting a weird vibe from this person?". Then they say one of the common things these people say and you're like "ooooohhhh... Next!" Lol.

Found it!

https://youtu.be/NTw5wkS29Sc

While I generally agree, I would still be extremely skeptical of those changes coming from the people that have spent the last 60 years sliding us into a situation were we desperately need those changes. If that was the play, I would see it as a decades long scam with the intent being to purchase legitimacy with a lie. The logical conclusion being they want absolute power and see a working strategy to obtain that by following in the nazi's footsteps, with some modern revisions.

Well, it started with Victor Frankl's Man's Search For Meaning, which is more about what happened after the coup, until nazi's downfall. Then, I read parts of The Third Reich by Thomas Childers, which prompted a documentary watch and I haven't gone much further than that. But both of those books are amazing and very informative. I can try to find that documentary too, if you're interested.

To expand on this for the unaware: Hitler came back into power for his second term in 1932. His first term, similar to trumps, was rife with turmoil and political/administrative blunders. One of the first things he did, upon returning to power, was a German version of The New Deal. They massively invested in their country's infrastructure and provided tens of millions of jobs for the young working class, who had been suffering the worst unemployment crisis in an age. For the first time in their lives, young Germans had good jobs (with great benefits) and were contributing towards building a better, cleaner, safer Germany, all facilitated by "the national socialist party". This was the part of nazi history that actually included socialism, and it's how the nazi party duped an entire generation into becoming their foot soldiers. They actually delivered substantive, positive change for the people, allowed people to get comfortable with the new status quo while they further built propaganda machines, then turned that status quo into a carrot on a stick. Young nazi's were very fearful of a backslide, so when nazi propaganda started saying all these bad people were trying to take away their newfound financial freedom, it was very easy to convince these young, relatively ignorant, working class people to "defend" the country they proudly built with their own hands.

If the GOP did a 180° on all of their economic policy, of the last 60+ years, to follow a similar story arc, I would be extremely concerned. With how down-trodden our 3 youngest generations are, the conditions for an American copy of nazi Germany couldn't be more perfect than they are right now.

I'm not a historian. I just read a book on this subject recently. Feel free to correct or add to anything I got wrong/missed!

I think this is what makes our propaganda machine the most affective one in the world. China and Russia beat their citizens into submission, while the US breeds true believers from birth and use them to beat the rest of the population into submission so affectively the non-believers can't fight the ruling class because their hands are tied fighting with the cult of self-imposed calamity.

Yeah, we'll get through it. I've been working towards escaping this shit hole country my entire adult life. I'm hoping we can make that a reality before it gets much worse here.

And I was further clarifying and expanding on that sentiment...

I live in the US, had a 30 min operation, was sent home as soon as I woke up, and now I owe them $18,000 USD. That's after already paying them roughly $6,000 for all of the tests just to get a diagnosis, then waiting almost 9 months for the surgery in excruciating pain, maxed out on anti- inflammatory and pain pills that eventually severely damaged my kidneys (causing a whole other expensive health crisis), being mostly bedridden and only able to work one or two days a week for 8 months of the 9. I was already paycheck to paycheck before that. Things just keep getting harder for my family and I honestly don't know how we're still going.

In my experience with US insurance companies.. They don't have to. They do what they do and expect zero recourse.

You didn't answer the question. You repeated your assertion that you're more intelligent then (apparently) all working class people, yet you don't seem capable of producing a coherent argument explaining why you believe that?

Well.. We're having this discussion on a text based website.. Clearly, both of us can read. Unfortunately, in your case, reading ability doesn't correlate with comprehension ability.

And all I do is resent the billionaire class, who are actively extracting all of our wealth. I didn't ask about your feelings though. I asked why you think the recent election justifies blatant classism against the working class.

Who exactly is "you people"?

I'm working class and I very much want to look out for myself. I didn't vote for this. I vote for the most progressive candidates I can every 2 years. Do I deserve to suffer the consequences of others actions?

Why does this news justify blatant classism for you?

Those poor kids only knew indoctrination, then death. What a shame. I wonder how many of their Christian parents voted for this reality. How many more will play a part in their own kids deaths?

No.. I'm not. Governing people and leading people are the same thing. I'm referencing doing it at two different scales. As you go up in scale, the rules change. Things like authoritarianism, socialism, libertarianism and communism work for small groups of people, but not when you start getting into populations in the millions.

It's not irrelevant. They're saying that the people you hold up as some kind of supremely enlightened few of a special era, were in fact products of their time who believed in a lot of silly things with no basis in science/reality, and committed many atrocities themselves.

I was a die-hard libertarian when I was 18. Then I learned a lot more about how the government actually functions. The more you know, the more painfully obvious it becomes that, not only is democratic government extremely necessary to support a civilization of our size, but also that uncoordinated government is literally impossible at scale. Try to lead a group of 20+ people in any activity and the importance of coordinated leadership will become evident very quickly.

Is your point that this is fear mongering, or that the struggle between classes has been an ongoing fight for most of recorded history?