threeduck @ threeduck @aussie.zone

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No serious study suggests plants feel pain. They do not have a brain or central nervous system. At most, they respond to stimuli.

Many more plants "die" for animal feeding than with a vegan diet.

If you're worried about grass pain, you should focus more on the animals that DO have nociceptors, central nervous systems and brains, and the ability to feel fear that you subject them too, purely for taste preference.

Only if you eat the brain or spinal column, which I was careful to add. Otherwise the risks are as manageable as with cow meat, i.e., parasites and bacteria. Given that you're okay with eating cats and dogs, and now simple-minded humans, what's to stop me from killing and eating you? I mean, all anyone needs to assert is that they're mentally superior to their food, what's off the table for you?

I'm sure mass scale cannibalism might actually be as good for the environment as a plant based diet. Maybe you're on to something. We'd be so morally consistent!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You literally can't reply, this is honestly my favourite anti-vegan argument I've ever had.

Alright alright, I'm all done. You clearly have no ability to argue, but it was a fun journey for me finding that out. With no capacity for understanding, I'll block you now to ensure I don't waste any more of our time.

Save your health, the life of animals and the life of the planet and eat plant-based.

So fish have nociceptors, and a brain that connects to them, and they avoid painful stimuli. They have analgesic response systems in their brain to dull painful stimuli. Even the most cautious interpetation of misery would include pain, so I would not kill and eat it. Fish display sentience, therefore it is immoral to kill them for pleasure.

What is your defense of a meat eaters diet in western civilization in 2024.

Hahahaha for the love of god, just actually answer a question for once.

There's a lot of awful things in culture. It was culturally acceptable to slap a women on the bottom for a good job.

Your argument is "ah well".

That's not a reasonable defense for your objectively immoral actions. You are causing the suffering of sentient life for taste, that makes you immoral. Not to mention the horrible effect your diet has on the planet.

What bizarre logic, what thorough lack of object permanence.

Just because meat eating outpaces veganism doesn't mean vegans haven't reduced the consumption of meat?

I don't even think you know what you're saying now. If the whole world went vegan today, there'd be no meat animal slaughter. YOU are the cause of this problem.

"Oh world hunger is getting worse, I better stop my charity donations!"

"Oh greenhouse gas emissions are on the rise, might as well go back to oil and gas!"

Like, you realise how foolish that argument is, right?

The argument works for a Western audience that are okay with killing and eat some animals, but find it abhorrent to eat others. Most people don't like the idea of dogs in pain, and if we did rear dogs like we do pigs, there would be huge public outcry.

And sure, you get Redditors and Lemmy-ites who go "Oh ho i'd eat dog!", but they mean they'd try the meat once at a market, to maintain moral consistency. The truth is they'd be just as horrified if they saw dogs yelping in factory farmed cages, like we treat chickens.

But there's no reason to treat some animals one way, some another. They all feel pain, they all feel misery, they all call for their children once they've been culled. It's objectively immoral to eat meat when not for necessity.

Great, so we agree no animals are ethically off limits to kill and consume. How about... Some of the more simple minded human populace? Like, if through IQ testing we find the bottom 5% of humans, and (without eating brain and spine, avoiding prion diseases) feed them to the masses? They're probably not terribly much smarter than dogs, and they could help curb food shortages. Or are humans off limits?

Hey it's only a trap if your argument falls for it. When have I lied? Stop arguing weird imagined semantics and actually reply like a human. Why do you think it's okay to kill and consume sentient life?

What? Try harder to what? Don't defend yourself in court hahahaha. "Does the defense have any closing statements?" "Uh yes your honour. Ahem. leans into mic t-try harder"

Hahaha just answer the question. You're like that meme that goes "APPEAL TO AUTHORITY, STRAWMAN FALLACY" in the middle of a normal conversation. Likr, if you're in a debate and someone pushes your argument into a corner, you can't go "no, judged the opposing team is using gotcha arguments that make mine look foolish, I object".

Gotcha!

I have no intent to deceive. There's a moral inconsistency amongst meat eaters. Pigs are okay, dogs are not. Why? "Oh, because we like dogs" Does that mean I can eat any sentient thing I dislike? "Well, no, dogs are intelligent!" Pigs are smarter than most breeds of dog, and have equal capabilities for emotion.

There is no logical argument against veganism in western society. Literally none. Meat eaters collectively breed and kill literally billions of animals per year, destroying the planet, because it's yummy. Meat eaters have essentially caused swine flu, bird flu, ebola, corona virus, just for the taste of meat. Meat eaters are causing treatment resistant bacteria by abusing antibiotics on high intensity farming, all for meat. That's crazy.

Gamey unless reared correctly. Better to eat pet dogs as the meat generally tastes juicier. It can sometimes be unpleasant bolting them before slitting their throats after they've lived inside for so long, but knowing they lived a happy life free of predators, and didn't die of old age (try to kill before they become yearlings) makes it feel right.

I suppose when you presuppose superiority over sentient life for no other reason than your own pleasure, it's quite easy to become racist.

You're dawn right "ew"!

I agree! There's actually a few human races I consider acceptable to eat, what a breath of fresh air to find someone like minded!

Hypothetical moral questions posed genuinely is not trolling. If you're okay with eating cows and pigs, why is eating dogs considered trolling?

Don't let perfection be the enemy of good. If everyone stopped eating animals, there'd be no surplus of blood and bone for fertilisers, and other plant based by-products would fill the space.

As for the rabbits, I actually have a small Australian shepherd that runs through my lawn chasing the wallabies that meander by, I've been meaning to trap it and humanely slaughter it, the blue coat would make a great gift! And if the owner comes by looking for Bella, I could trap him and humanely slaughter him too. He looks a bit simple, so it seems ethical to me? He'd make good compost, that's for true.

No, but its responsible for ~40% of the entire world's global greenhouse gas emissions. If you're at all left wing, you should put your money where your mouth is and commit to a diet that aligns with literally all of your beliefs.

But hey I'm just Three Ducks, relatively removed from the risk of meat eaters, in the US at least 🦆

You should try dog if you get the chance, Elwood dog farm has a low impact factory farm where you can buy Labrador cuts and some gamier breeds if they're in stock.