thoro @ thoro @lemmy.ml

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Isn't an election the definition of a zero sum game? People are either voting for you, your opponents, or not at all.

This was a referendum on neoliberal business as usual and they lost, hard.

You would have thought people in this country would have learned that in 2016 when Trump ran against NAFTA and with a populist message that, yes, used immigrants as a scapegoat.

But the neoliberal elite of the party continue to show nothing but disdain for populism, evidenced by how they treated Bernie and choosing candidates who literally run on nothing "fundamentally" changing.

Seeing that fact and choosing not looking inward at the party but instead chastising the laymen is exactly why Democrats lose. OP's post is endemic of the problem.

Hey look, someone who learned nothing in 2016 and continues to show they've learned nothing in this election too.

I'm sure the chastisements and lectures are going to help with dispelling the notion that the Democratic party is a party of smug elitists.

All the exit polls in swing states were showing only 40% or less approve of Biden. You think the outcome would have been any different?

You can blame us for this application, sure. Having an impact on the results of this election? Unlikely

Don't forget Hispanics!

ITT: excuses

If you live in a democracy with first past the poll elections with an electoral college, then you should understand how the system works and vote accordingly.

If you understand, then you understand that only swing states matter and you're essentially free to vote as you feel in solid red or blue states.

Pipe dreams will usually poll well with people stupid enough to believe them.

What's with y'all always being so willing to show how you bleed when scratched?

Dick Cheney endorsed Kamala.

Neither of these facts alone necessarily implicate the candidates. You really have to consider the context. Being endorsed by someone hardly means you keep their company.

What is the point of comparing Helene to Katrina? Harvey was also a 4.

Why discount the impact of Katrina just because there were systematic issues? It was a natural disaster and that was the impact.

Because it comes off to me like you're trying to "well ackshully" about Helene being really the most devastating hurricane.

Why are you making this some type of competition?

Right? Imagine believing there are enough conscientious progressives / leftists to flip CA red because of third party voting. Sure, Jan.

You're nice for engaging in good faith.

It's a bit funny that people who seem to think they are the politics, Marx, and communism understanders don't even seem to understand basic Marxism that I picked up in an intro to political philosophy class, which covered Marx for all of about two weeks.

You wouldn't be here without us

People win suits against the police all the time. It's just the police rarely face consequences for it, especially as an institution.

We know this.

In an electoral college system, only swing states matter.

But parties will pay attention if votes are siphoned from them. If you're not in a swing state, a third party vote has basically no negative effect but may have a positive effect of influencing a major party.

I think it's more than arguable that voting for Kamala in Louisiana or Mississippi or even potentially California is a bigger waste of a vote than voting third party.

Withholding a protest vote (for either side) and supporting voter apathy is lame as hell.

What are you talking about? You know there are more than two candidates running, right? I'm literally saying I will be voting third party in a presidential election as I always have, and me voting third party has literally never mattered because the electoral college. Who's withholding their vote? Although, that doesn't mean I think voting in a bourgeois democracy is actually a meaningful expression of political power and organization.

You're all hand winging about people on the left who just don't want to vote Democrat, again even in states where the result is already known. You can't even dare to criticize Democrats or send any message even in safe states like CA, WA, or NY. Because the handful of conscientious leftists are definitely gonna flip CA red or could definitely flip MS blue if they sucked it up and went for Kamala.

When the capitalists continue to fuck us , you'll have done fuck all to push socialism because you spend all your time, again, running defense for one of the two most powerful capitalist institutions in the world.

Guess what dummy, you're playing soccer with these Yahoos whether you like it

Yeah, actually a lot of us are very aware of the game and how it's played. Are you? You know most of us aren't in swing states, right? So what is my protest vote going to affect again? My vote already doesn't matter in a presidential election. It's literally never mattered as long as I've been a voting adult.

or not so pick a fucking side and THEN ALSO DO MORE."

Yeah I have picked a side. The anti-capitalist side. Which of these parties are anti -capitalist, again?

99% of y'all are calling out this user saying they'll "do nothing and be smug" instead of voting, but y'all are just gonna vote blue and similarly be smug, do nothing, but continue to run defense for millionaires and one of the most powerful capitalist political parties in the world.

At least this user won't be doing the latter.