thesven @ thesven @lemm.ee

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In seeking to protest a genocide, they have invited the start of a second genocide on our fellow citizens, as well as accelerated the original genocide they were protesting. These effects could’ve been seen from a million miles away.

You assume that the "second genocide" would not have happened under a Democratic leadership. Biden and Kamala gave Netanyahu free rein over Palestine. They placed red lines only to appease their base, and simply disregarded these lines when the Isreaeli government trampled over them. They smeared the protestors. They condemned the international courts, and they were cheering the genocidal maniac when he appeared before congress.

So no, I would never vote for this party. You might see DNC as the lesser of two evils. I just see it as plain evil, and I can't in good faith ever vote for them. As I mentioned before, they only used the rights of minorities as smokescreen, to avoid introducing any meaningful changes.

I will be able to tell my grandchildren I voted directly against the horrors they will be* learning about in history class. No need for supporting arguments about how doing otherwise was a more genuine rejection of this fucked up system.

So you did not vote for the government that facilitated the genocide in Gaza, and went above and beyond to protect Netanyahu, and fund his campaign of destruction?

The horrors did not start January 20, 2025.

Haha, we can agree to disagree. At least we seem to be on the same general team 😜

"played a part in getting trump elected" this is so vague though. Because I can argue that you played a part on getting Trump elected by voting for Democrats for the past 50 years.

The lower class has been dying. It's either death by a thousand cuts or whatever Trump and his cronies are doing. The faster the death the faster the lower class will react.

So you can see that as the silver lining on Trump's election.

Yep. And that's why we are sliding into fascism.

Of course I am happy that they have rights! I am just saying that it should be irrelevant. It shouldn't be the platform that the candidates run on. They should just give LGBTQI+ rights, and run on a more socialist platform that will raise the poor and lower the rich. But of course DNC is run by the establishment, and they have certain agendas, so that would never happen. So what's a point of contention that the two parties can easily have? LGBT rights!

I know my quotes too.

“There is nothing I dread So much, as a Division of the Republick[sic] into two great Parties, each arranged under its Leader, and concerting Measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble Apprehension is to be dreaded as the greatest political Evil, under our Constitution.” John Adams

"The two-party system teaches you that there’s a constant battle of good versus evil, when in reality, it’s just a fight for power.” Ross Perot

“The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum.” Noam Chomsky

Want me to go on?

I totally agree that the GOP is shit. Thing is that the DNC was preaching one thing and doing another, while simultaneously raising issues that were completely irrelevant to 95%+ of its base. "You can't feed your family? OK, but that trans kid who you probably never interact with at any point in your life has now rights, and I will base my whole identity around that!" Do you know how many people are transexual in the United States? Less than 1%.

You are right, if you want equality you don't vote for the GOP, but you sure as hell don't vote for the DNC either.

And this is prime "You didn't vote for my shit candidate, therefore you are literally Hitler".

It is certainly nice to not have blood on my hands.

My part in getting Trump elected is minuscule to the part the Democratic Party played to get him electable.

Did he have only one opponent? Last time I checked there were more than two candidates.

All these are just a smokescreen. Inequality is the real issue, and the rich got richer, while the poor got poorer.

I am not saying that fascism should be allowed in. I am just saying that people who feel left out, and who feel that society has betrayed them, they will start searching for other alternatives to our current system. Who left them out?

Yep, we saw how much the Biden presidency helped.

If I had voted for Kamala I would't even have that delusion.

And that literally doesn't solve anything. It just postpones the inevitable. Democracy lost the moment DNC plotted against Bernie Sanders back in 2016. What would you think would happen if we had another 4 years of Democrats? Fascism would just come 4 years later.

"Not voting for the only viable candidate". So between two shit candidates, we should vote for the one who smells the least like shit. Nope. That's not how democracy works. Everyone should vote for the candidate that bests represents them. I didn't say that democrats are solely to blame. I said partly.

Unfortunately.

Who said anything about not voting? There were not just two candidates last time I checked.

I agree to whoever gets elected, because that is how democracy works. As far as I am concerned that might be the last election in the US. period. And the Democratic Party is partly to blame.

There are not just two candidates in the US, although the establishment would prefer everyone to believe that.

The result would be the same no matter the candidate. Gaza was razed to the ground while the democrats were in power. And not only that, but they actively backed the Israeli government. If we allow ourselves to betray our moral principles, then we are on a downwards spiral where each candidate can say and do whatever they want, as long as the candidate next to them is a tiny bit worse.