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  • it occurs when it's economically more efficient to move industry out of your country than to keep it in

    unless you're suggesting china will willingly run the bulk of its industry with decreasing efficiency over time for the sake of keeping lower paying jobs domestically

    These developments look increasingly structural. The authorities' stance since 2020, including regulatory tightening and zero-COVID lockdowns, appear to have inflicted long-lasting damage to China's private economy, the dynamism of which was a defining feature of its economic miracle in the past four decades. Nearly 20 months into China's COVID reopening, the private sector has yet to bounce back, despite many pro-private business utterances and gestures from China's leadership.

    i'm not sure private businesses failing over covid is a good thing for an economy

  • "it's just supplemental" would have initially worked to describe us industry shifting out

    investment is finite, so if you have the choice between a and b, investing more money in a is by definition investing in a at the expense of b

  • i can't source it and it's tangential but i do remember hearing about some study that looked at people's reactions to their cancer diagnosis

    • some people react with melancholy
    • some people react by entering into a strict regime to give themselves that maximum chance of surviving, like heavily controlled diet, exercise, etc.
    • some people react with outrage and denial, just refusing to allow the fact that they have cancer alter their lives

    and the outcome was that the second groups had better outcomes than the first, but more interestingly, the third group also had better outcomes than the first

  • if the imf is such a corrupt organization, why is china willingly a member?

    you really come crawling back to me just to call me a clown again? why are your insults all "clown" or "i'm rubber your glue"?

    as a reddit brain you'd know

    why are your insults all "clown" or "i'm rubber your glue"?

  • again, even in your cartoon world, china is a member of the imf

    also you clearly haven't read your sources very recently, because that's not the picture they paint

    I'd be so insulted by that if I had a shred of respect for you.

    this is such a reddit tier insult i love it

  • The discussion is about debts issued by China and their long term impact, which every study shows to be positive

    except the ones you just linked, i guess?

    you must have been very unlucky when picking which sources to show me :(

    I guess it's easier to make a clown of yourself in public than actually learn about the subject you're attempting to debate

    you know people (other people, not me, i'm here for serious discussion exclusively) only keep you off their blocklist because it's really funny watching the fediverse e-clown ply their trade every day, right?

  • probably not a door you want to open unless you want the top map to suddenly get a lot less red

    also, even if you accept that line of thinking, it still became an invasion when they crossed the 38th parallel

  • The debt they owed to the IMF

    do you understand how money works? you know it's fungible, right?

    Oh you mean where actual western debt trap was happening?

    even in your cartoon world, china is a member of the imf

    and even if they weren't, the largest share of single-source debt was from china

    i guess it's easier to defend a worldview if you just like...make stuff up?

    any sort of intellectual integrity from you here

    said the person who cherry picked like 3 things to respond to, despite spending most of their life accusing others of cherry picking, and responded to them by making stuff up

    sure buddy

    okay let's pretend it's relevant

    selling it services and equipment now absolves a country of guilt

    wow, looks like the us is absolved of guilt to a comical degree

  • I love how you trolls just keep regurgitating the same few tropes

    my guy your waking life consists of reposting the same 5 talking points

    i'd maybe take a moment of quiet reflection

    Chinese Investment In Africa Has Had ‘Significant And Persistently Positive’ Long-Term Effects Despite Controversy

    "The results show that Chinese foreign direct investment (FDI) sets in motion a process of transformation in the local economy that damages local competitors but – at the same time – benefits local suppliers to the new Chinese firms as well as their local clients."

    this is another way of saying that local businesses are destroyed, save from the ones that become functionally chinese subsidiaries

    if the west did this you'd be having a meltdown

    study on Chinese investments

    you know that when a bank restructures a loan for you, it's not out of the goodness of their hearts, right?

    and that's when they do restructure a loan for you, rather than just letting you default and having your economy explode like happened with sri lanka

    no debt trap

    guys they didn't SEIZE a port they merely forced a country to lease it for 99 years at a bargain bin price

    China and Africa: Ethiopia case study debunks investment myths

    ethiopia literally had to default on their debt after this article was published

    https://www.lse.ac.uk/iga/assets/documents/research-and-publications/FDI-in-Ethiopia-Crescenzi-Limodio.pdf

    see above

    https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/gild/2021/01/26/how-chinese-investment-shape-new-growth-patterns-in-africa/

    this is the same as the first link

    https://www.asiafinancial.com/china-debt-trap-claims-in-africa-stem-from-us-rivalry-study

    this is about the port again

    https://www.sabcnews.com/sabcnews/chinas-infrastructure-investment-helps-fast-track-development-in-africa-expert/

    this just says "development good" without defining what that is

    the same metric would justify european colonialism of africa

    https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2022/08/20/china-forgives-debt-africa/

    except for all the cases where they don't and countries have to default, i guess

    https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2023/11/broadband-business-formation-and-economic-growth-in-the-global-south-assessing-chinas-impact/

    this link isn't relevant