steltek @ steltek @lemm.ee

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I agree and I'm sorry you've experienced that. Such shill accusations are reactionary, add to a toxic atmosphere, and contribute nothing to any conversation. In fact, I don't think comment removal is a sufficient tool: hot heads should be given 24 hour bans to cool off. My 2 cents though. I am neither admin nor moderator.

I vote for defederation

Hexbear will not contribute to a healthy ecosystem. I do not believe they can uphold their promises to rein in their worst instincts, no matter how much they earnestly try.

It's evident that the mainstream Hexbear ideology is one of extremism and a fig leaf of barely concealed militancy. Fascination and celebration with violence or death against their political enemies is encouraged. Enemies condemned simply by belonging to a system or class. "We don't actually support violence but hey, just asking questions, why do we have capital punishment for murderers but not landlords?" These ideas are not the product of a healthy, balanced mind nor can we call them mere innocent political beliefs.

In this very thread, where they are under a microscope, there is a substantial amount of inexcusable behavior. It's impossible to believe that Hexbear is capable of the restraint required to behave outside of their own instance. They identify so heavily with their political beliefs that they leap to defend them against the most minor transgression and argue 10 layers deep into the comments. The topic could be whether the newest Pixel phone is any good or not but you'll find a long tirade about "imperialist" trade policies that you've seen a million times before and has absolutely nothing to do with anything. That is not how healthy communities grow and develop.

I tried to keep an open mind. I have seen insightful comments from Hexbears and yes, it is healthy to challenge my own worldviews. But the weight of the unapologetic and unhealthy behavior overrides that. Hexbear must be defederated. If I want to debate the finer points of communism (and I really don't), I know where to find them.

Can @Awoo@hexbear.net or another Hexbear user confirm that the comment referenced above is common and acceptable within Hexbear's CoC?

I think we’re capable of having level-headed conversations with other instances about toning it down whenever we step outside our own hive.

Clearly some of you are having a very difficult time with that simple expectation.

It was an extremely bigoted, vulgar, personal attack on an admin in his own thread about why Hexbear deserves a second chance.

An utterly vile statement like that followed by your soft "time and place" non-rebuke does not deserve any benefit of the doubt so yes, I will absolutely jump to the obvious interpretation. Especially in a thread about continued unacceptable Hexbear behavior. "Read the room" indeed.

You need to do a much better job taking out your trash than this. Chiding him for saying the quiet part out loud is basically saying you should be defederated as a hate instance.

This is highly offtopic flamebait that will trigger a protracted argument of little substance.

Further, how you've casually slipped into a debate about capital punishment for enormous swathes of population is disturbing and disgusting. This is the lack of self awareness that others have mentioned here.

First off, thank you @sunaurus ! Being an admin is tough. Being an admin that tries to build bridges, is even harder.

I vehemently dislike the "if you don't like them, you can block them" advice that is frequently given out. As a thought exercise, what is the equilibrium state of that method? New users to a community, coming in without a mature block list, would see 3 sets of users: a far-left echo chamber, an everyone-else echo chamber, and a verbal brawl of trolls in the middle. This is not a welcoming scene and will drive new users away.

With Lemmy, I ask myself what is the intent of moderation. "To enforce the rules!" is shallow reasoning. Why do we have rules? I put forward that the rules are there to maintain and build a community (dictionary definition). They are not there to enforce a particular worldview or economic system. While I staunchly oppose hexbear and grad viewpoints, I would not defederate them over their political views. That said, it is extremely hard to stay engaged on Lemmy when there is background of constant, shallow hate and derision thrown at me and my views. The atmosphere created by these comments go beyond simple political views.

Hexbear is confounding. On the rare occasion when the topic is kept nonpolitical, I find the comments helpful or informative. However, it's a sad fact of humanity that you can make anything political if you try and if you've built a strong personal identity around political views, this happens almost automatically. And that is where things go very wrong. Taken as a whole, that brigading effect is hard to ignore. You ask yourself if you're really welcome here, do you belong? "GO BACK TO REDDIT IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT!"

I am an American and another person's observation really resonated with me: it felt like arguing alone against a crowd Fox News viewers. There was an entirely alternate set of facts and you were instantly labeled, stereotyped, and insulted for holding a different opinion. Do I really want to spend a lot of time in Fox News land? And if this analogy holds, is it the intent of Lemmy's various admins to allow for one instance to mandate the tone for the entire Fediverse?

I do not share your optimisim that things will improve based on an updated code of conduct. Hexbear admins have good intentions to balance their ideals with good fediverse citizenship. I think we will continue to see friction between worlds without much stronger rules of engagement.

It was a bit tongue in cheek but since Win10, there's more "nervous laughter" in the room than there was before.

You remind me of a quote: "Libertarians are like house cats: absolutely convinced of their fierce independence while utterly dependent on a system they don't appreciate or understand."

Because the internet itself functions based on the ideals of Communism… Literally.

There are many moving pieces to "the Internet". Literally none fundamentally work based on Communism. Any "free work" is a fancy version of Black Friday doorbuster sales.

Who designed the internet?

The United States military and research universities. Universities fund research to attract prestige, patentable technology, court donations, etc.

Did they make everyone pay for it?

The early Internet was not available, period. For pay or not. Al Gore as Senator, pushed for it to open it for commercial exploitation and commercial ISP's began. Unless you had 500 hours of free AOL dialup, you were paying for it.

Who designs and maintains the protocols the internet uses to communicate with?

Cisco, IBM, Google, AWS, and others hire engineers to sit on the IETF, w3c, etc committees. They publish protocols so their employers can sell new products or maintain marketshare. As a side gig, they also review and approve protocols like ActivityPub.

Do they charge licensing fees for you to use them?

No, the expense is recouped when companies buy products that are built around those products.

Who writes the encryption algorithms that make HTTPS actually secure?

RSA is a multi-billion dollar security company. HTTPS certificates are products that you purchase from Certificate Authorities. Let's Encrypt is funded by commercial companies to ensure consumer confidence in their main products.

Are they open source?

Sure. The algorithms are also reviewed and approved by NIST, a Communist agency run by the Communist country, the United States of America. You generally do not commercially use use an algorithm if it has not been approved by NIST.

Can you use them without paying a licensing fee?

Yes. Again, the expense is recouped when companies buy products that are built around those products.

Who designs and maintains the HTML specification?

Google, Apple, Mozilla, etc.

JavaScript?

As above.

Video codecs that make YouTube function without royalties?

Streaming services are communism now?

Communism is EVERYWHERE, and it’s glorious. Why do you so utterly fail to understand what it even is?

The misunderstanding is yours.

Ah yes, the ultimate form of communism: VENTURE CAPITALISM.

And I think you need to investigate how a lot of open source gets funded (if it does at all) and why. It's definitely not communism and in some cases, it's a worse model than even capitalism.

Power management on laptop-like devices is a problem for Linux because of lazy manufacturers. ACPI often reports broken values and h/w vendors patch it up using Windows driver overrides, rather than a real fix. Suspend/resume is a delicately choreographed set of steps given to the OS by ACPI so if that's wrong, you'll get awful battery life or worse, crashes. Linux devs will emulate the Windows driver patches but that comes later, if at all.

I mean, hopefully it would work but Lenovo would need to not take the easy way out. They've been slipping, even with their Thinkpads lately.

Steam Deck got so much right, straight out of the gate. The suspend-resume is nothing short of amazing. The UI is 100% muscle, 0% fat.

IMO, starting with Windows as a base is an automatic setback. There's a strong chance that it'll interrupt your game to ask you if you want to set Edge to be your default browser or some stupid shit.

The real problem in Massachusetts is that the Staties were getting paid OT for traffic details when they were actually asleep in bed.

There's about as much discourse here as rival football hooligans having it out in the streets. A lot of violence but it doesn't really change the score. What's the point of talking when no one's listening?

It's not just the redditors bringing the labels and hexbears are also effectively recently arrived, having updated their server.

No, you're not helping. At all. It's flamebait that can only derail the topic and turn into a circle jerk or verbal fistfight.

Here's an example that may help: Why is China allowed to participate in the Olympics despite their genocides and brutal crackdowns? Why the double standard?

Re: "dangerous for democracy". That's a little hyperbolic, don't ya think?

I don't support defederation. I think the calls for defederation strictly arise from political clashes that boil out of control and people that don't remember the Internet-that-was, before Reddit. "Free speech absolutist" wasn't a thing because no one pictured their little forum as mattering that much. Forum moderation wasn't about enforcing a specific world view or preserving an echo chamber, it was about preserving civil discourse. And since I'm typing this out I might as well add that I think if I was to dust off an early 90's or 2000's mod hat, I'd do the following:

• Referring to other commenters as reddit refugee/hexbear/liberal/grad/imperialist/shill/anti-westerner 's is a 3 day ban
• Bringing up the Iraq War, Tienanmen Sq, etc is a 3 day ban. Not some conspiracy to bury the truth. It's because everyone's friggin' heard it already and we definitely don't need more of it.
• Lazy whataboutism is a 1 day ban. This is vaguely defined for a purposeful chilling effect.
• War Is Bad. When not the topic of the article, fantasizing about a US-Ruso conflict/popular uprising/Taiwan invasion/WW3 is a 1 day ban.

What do people want this place to be? A place where all sides can meet (if they strictly behave)? An echo chamber? A raging angry gladiator pit? Like I said above, as a major Lemmy instance, this place should be downright boring and the extremists can retreat to other instances better suited to their anger.

It's particularly upsetting because lemmy.ml is a major instance. IMO, moderation in this c/ is infrequent and underwhelming. I don't mean to hang the mods out to dry; it would take a big team to wade through this effluent and tame the trolls. The hostile "Here comes the Reddit refugees" and "OMG Tankie brigade" shit is just the easy stuff. A rule on lazy whataboutism would help the signal/noise ratio as well. This post is from RT, about Ukraine/Russia/Belarus but the biggest thread in here is rehashing the Iraq occupation. Can we just discuss the original topic? Is that so hard?

Glancing at Google Maps, a great circle route from Murmansk probably lets you skirt most national airspace.