starman2112 @ starman2112 @sh.itjust.works

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Oreos are famously vegan. There's some dispute about the ethics of buying products with palm oil, and some sugar suppliers might use bone char to filter sugar, but the ingredients don't necessarily include any animal products

If one considers the act immoral, yet said act is legal- then one has no business telling the person that they shouldn’t do said act. It’s not their business regardless of what it is.

Do you really not see the problems with this? This discussion may be about eating meat, but you just made a general statement about when it is and isn't okay to tell people that what they're doing is wrong.

This is a literal defense of slavery. I'm not even misinterpreting it or taking it to a logical conclusion like that other comment I left, you are straight up saying that abolitionists are wrong when they tell slave owners that they shouldn't own slaves if slavery is legal in their region.

Edit: y'all can read through this thread if you like, but we literally got nowhere except for this guy blocking me. Either he cannot understand the problems with his underlying logic, or he is ideologically consistent and thinks that the Holocaust was totally fine because it was legal and it didn't hurt him.

Meanwhile, the weakest vegan in the comments

inb4 some room temperature IQ replies with "are you really equating eating meat with slavery?"

No, slavery is worse than animal agriculture. That doesn't mean that animal agriculture isn't wrong for the same reasons that slavery is. You're driving a demand for unnecessary harm to be done to sentient beings for a product you don't need to survive.

If someone wants to eat a steak, who cares?

The cow

Realizing now the mistake one makes when trying to remain neutral in a discussion where vegans are involved.

"Realizing now the mistake one makes when trying to remain neutral in a discussion where abolitionists are involved" ~ someone in 1850s Kansas, trying to remain neutral in a discussion about slavery and complaining about those damn abolitionists who can't see the nuance in owning people

So does my phone when the battery is low. Do you reckon I'm hurting it by not plugging it in right now?

I would go as far as to say that most vegans wouldn't have a moral problem with eating roadkill. The physical act of eating meat is only harmful to an animal if it's still alive while you're eating it. The problem is the part before that, where you paid someone to hurt it

inb4 some child left behind replies with "are you equating eating meat for sustenance with rape?"

Yes. You could eat something else for sustenance. The reason you choose meat is because it's a more enjoyable experience for you, despite the inherent harm. That sounds similar to another topic I mentioned in this comment

See this is what I told people when they found out I had sex with my dog, and they said I was crazy and abusive! Like, it's my own choice!

What were you hoping to achieve with this? You sure showed them, not all natural activities are bad. Unfortunately, they didn't say that. You're arguing against nobody

I for one have great respect for the ocean, and the brave people who risk their lives sailing across it. I'm fine here in kansas lol

the animal is already dead

Never heard this one before. I think I'll use it next time someone says that jerkin it to child porn is wrong. I mean, the harm is already done, right?

I've seen quite a few times black people have abused welfare programs. Usually they're posted under conservative accounts, and I get flamed in the comments for pointing out that these are videos posted by someone with an agenda who wants their audience to think certain things about certain groups of people without providing actual data on the subject

Do you think maybe some of the videos of vegans being douchebags that you've seen have been posted by someone with an agenda who wants their audience to think certain things about certain groups of people without providing actual data on the subject?

Imagine making this literal exact comment under a post about black people committing a bunch of crime

"Remember this is a shitpost, and some level of inaccuracy is almost required. It's the shit part of the post" under a 13/50 meme

It's because the very existence of veganism implies that a) eating animals and the things they produce is harmful and b) you don't need to eat animals or the things they produce. Omnivores have to argue against one or both of those claims, or acknowledge that they're doing something wrong, and humans will commit a lot of evils to convince ourselves that we're not doing anything wrong

"I'm a good person, good people don't do bad things, therefore nothing I do is bad"

Local honey isn't an option for largely the same reason that locally sourced human breast milk isn't. Even if harvesting it doesn't hurt the ones producing it, a lot of vegans find it conceptually gross anyway

Edit: a better comparison may be to locally sourced roadkill. You aren't paying into a system that intentionally runs over squirrels and cats to feed you, but it's just conceptually bad. I think most vegans would agree that peeling a dead squirrel off of the road and throwing it on the grill is, at the very least, significantly more defensible than buying meat from the store, but they still wouldn't partake if you offered it to them

I'm not your waiter, and this isn't Australia

I 100% agree with you, that the existence of canine teeth does not mean that we must eat meat, but pandas are famously bad at living. The species only exists at this point because humans think they're cute

For those of us who still eat a meat diet, it usually takes a chef to make something actually enjoyable from strictly vegetables.

This is a joke, right? Have you ever tried pasta? Rice? Fruit?

Edit: ramen, PB&J, Oreos, potatoes

The skills you need to make vegetables taste good are the same as the skills you need to make meat taste good. I really hope you aren't just, like, boiling chicken breasts and eating them unseasoned