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I think, there is another underlying problem, and that is that many Linux users are overly defensive about their OS.

If Windows frequently bluescreens due to a driver, people also say that Windows sucks. But I've never seen a single instance where then a more experienced Windows user says "You are wrong, Windows is great, it's just the manufacturer of the hardware who is at fault."

To an average user, there is no difference between OS, drivers or even user space software.

And, tbh, if the system doesn't run correctly (no matter which part of it) nobody really cares who is at fault. Because it's not about putting blame on someone, but rather about the user wanting to do something and it doesn't work.

For a bad comparison: Imagine you got a new car and directly after the warranty expired, the motor breaks down and needs to be replaced.

Would you then say "The car is ok, it's just the supplier of the sealing rings of the piston who sucks"?

I'd rather say, "This car sucks".

Yep, it's an argument outdated by about 20 years. At that time 10 years difference between two machines meant that you had completely different machine.

But having a good 10yo machine now means it's about on the same level as an entry-level machine now. My laptop I bought in 2013 for ~€700 had an i7 4th gen, which is totally fast enough for non-gaming usage, 8GB RAM, 500GB SSD and a dGPU that's still faster than most iGPUs.

That are specs you can still find in modern entry-level PCs.

And that laptop has no issue running Win10 at all and if I workaround the arbitrary requirement for TPM2 and Intel Gen 8, it also runs fine. But I don't want to risk that Microsoft sometime arbitrarily decides to not give me updates any more.

And also, the argument that it's not a good choice to run a modern OS on a 25yo machine is a pretty dumb counter against the argument that a 10yo machine can run a modern OS without issue.

That's an argument that wouldn't even hit a barn door from a step away.

Sure, it's much better than it has been a few years ago.

But it's still not nearly at the point where I would blindly recommend it to non-technical people and call it easy. There's still a way to go.

On the other hand I have no problem recommending Linux to the typical "I only use an OS to run a browser" user. That wasn't the case 5 or 10 years ago.

I guess your experience must be universal and everyone who has issues must be really dumb. Is that how you see the world?

You are right with what you are saying, but for an average user it doesn't matter who's fault it is that their hardware and the OS don't play nice together.

If they have Nvidia and it works perfectly out of the box on Windows, but not on Linux, it really doesn't matter whether it's the fault of Linux or Nvidia.

And sure, if you are buying a new device to run Linux on it, you can use that info to buy an ATI card that works better.

But more often than not people are switching from Windows to Linux on their existing hardware. Mostly because something doesn't work (e.g. receiving updates on Win10 past 2024), and they'd rather switch OS than buy a new PC.

It's kinda like IPv6.

But if I have to have a full Windows installation that I need to keep up to date, with the full setup of drivers and other software that I need to run games, what advantage does an average person (not software dev/IT enthusiast) have from running a second OS for the things that do work on both OSes?

It's kinda like saying "This racing kit car is amazingly fast, you can tinker on it and reconfigure it, and for everything that you can't do in the kit car, you can just keep a family minivan around".

That's nice for a racing/car enthusiast. But most people just want one car to do all they need.

I guess most people still access the internet. Websites track you no matter what OS you use.

You really want to run an OS from 2021 on hardware older than 2016? That's not going to be a good idea, TPM or not.

Why?

10+ years of usage for a PC or laptop is completely normal outside the gamere/tech enthusiast bubble.

If you only use your PC for Amazon, Streaming and occasionally Word/Excel, a 10yo laptop is totally enough.

There's some bug between KDE, my Nvidia GPU, Prime, Proton and DXVK that causes my whole system to freeze (can't even switch to console) if I try to play games with the GPU selection set to "on-demand".

If I completely disable the Intel GPU, it runs fine, but that means I basically can't use the laptop without a charger (because the battery drains so fast), unless I switch the GPU setting (requires a reboot) every time I want to game.

Well, if you were an artist and your comment would be songs, and I were your producer, I would have dropped you a long time ago.

I see why you are getting downvoted.

Thanks for alerting me to your "content". I did leave some downvotes on your most unfortunate comments.

Looks like google helpfully stripped away the "." in 2.3 bar because my locale wants me to use a "," instead.

2.3 bar != 330 psi

But the point still stands. 0.17 bar / 2.5 PSI is not enough to inflate a tire.

Yeah, these guys suck.

The pressure from an exhaust pipe is <0.17 bar or 2.5 PSI.

My car tires have to be pressurized to 2.3 bar or 33 PSI.

So what happens is you get a flat tire that smells funny. And if you are doing that in a garage, you'll probably get carbon monoxide poisoning.

Followed by: Don't eat yellow snow.

Ender 3 v3 SE.

That's basically an Ender 3 with all important upgrades and tweaks from the factory.

This has received pretty good reviews in total.

If you design your testing set well enough and then don't care about the accuracy of the output, then it's not hard to get that kind of accuracy even without a brain scanner.