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  • And you want what? Israel to roll over and allow continuous repeats of Oct 7 (which Hamas vowed to do, on the record)?

    Here is a more mature argument you could have used against me: How would Israel know if all of Hamas surrendered anyhow? What could possibly count as a surrender?

  • UNWRA was compromised so the impartial party option has been abandoned.

    It requires military to keep Hamas from stealing the aid. It is not realistic to expect an outside neutral military to take on this task. UN could not keep Hezbollah in check in Lebanon.

    It seems Hamas are annoyed not just that they are being denied supplies for themselves and to sell to civilians but also because they need civilians to be starving to win the PR battle. Full stomachs will divert attention from the war so should we starve the people? Which is it? Allowing Hamas to hijack it isn't going to happen so forget what the UN says (which is very vague).

    Regardless of what we argue here, the distribution will continue. It is just two days into it so let's see if it going well. Of course for some ProPals it will not go well unless Jews vacate the Levant (an unrealistic fantasy regardless of whether one believes they should be there or not).

  • It is a good point however Likud took 5 dud attempted coalitions before coming back in power. Bibi was about to go on trial for embezzlement. They were not that popular.

    Unfortunately while Likud are still not popular, political pundits say the Left would be very unlikely to form a coalition government in the next election.

  • Admittedly Crikey accidentally made it sound worse by taking it out of context but they may not have had access to the video (which has since been posted in this thread).

    Nevertheless, a one-state solution cannot work because Hamas are not seeking what this guest is talking about.

  • ProPals throw accusations of "whataboutism" when someone tries to discuss nuance as often as Zionists throw "anti-Semitism" when they are criticised.

    The two points remain unaddressed by you:

    Hamas hijack aid and are complaining now that IDF wants to control the distribution to prevent this.

    Hamas could surrender for a swift end to the war.

    everything Hamas does is also lsrael's fault. lsrael created Hamas. They funded Hamas deliberately as a way to destabilise the Palestinians.

    Indeed. Bibi favoured Hamas over Fatah and for cynical reasons as you point out. You are not talking to a one-eyed football mentality person.

    Hamas (being right wing fascists like Likud) should have known the consequences of Oct 7 well in advance but they naively thought they could rally Arab neighbours to battle like in the past.

  • From what I can tell, the average ABC worker is on the right side of this.

    The average worker is Left wing and therefore agrees with Hamas' position. I am Left but often disagree with them on the Gaza issues. In fact their dodgy reporting on Al Ahli hospital early on lost them their credibility.

    I have not seen any news organisation consistently report "fairly". The only example of even-handedness was a pair of entries from a blogger a couple of months into the war (probably still valid - let me know if it has dated)...

    https://yoavfisher.medium.com/israel-has-lost-the-war-d7b9b3934f73

    https://yoavfisher.medium.com/hamas-has-lost-the-war-5bea9813fcf3

  • And since they went through the bother of "accidentally" uploading it, why did they go through the extra bother to remove it?

    They play both sides. Am sure they have their own internal battles of which side to support since they do not seem consistent to me.

  • The Post is literally summarised here in my Lemmy feed with:

    During the interview, Nasser Mashni made a pointed remark that it was time 'for Palestine to be free, from the river to the sea'

    That could well be why the interview was pulled. One could argue whether that slogan is sinister or not. If sinister they could have aired it without the slogan (but some would argue against platforming someone with that view).

    These are the actual issues it seems, certainly not whataboutism.

    EDIT: Turns out this Crikey article is not paywalled (unlike most of Crikey). So I read it and platforming should not be an issue since it says the guy is a regular.

    The closing paragraphs are:

    Crikey received a statement from the ABC on Wednesday morning, a day after this story was published, which said the interview had been uploaded to the broadcaster's website and iview accidentally.

    "The original content was done as a live-to-air interview as part of broader coverage and was not intended to be published as a stand-alone clip. It was mistakenly uploaded and when that was noticed it was taken down," a spokesperson said.

  • So he is calling for the elimination of Israel? Or is he calling for a one-nation state where a Palestinian majority will supposedly conduct a democracy without misogyny, homophobia ignoring the Hamas agenda to expel all Jews?

    Am well aware there are a growing number of Jews with an agenda to expel all Arabs from Gaza. I wouldn't want ABC propagating sloganeering from them either.

  • The social aspect is indeed important. Performative delivery of catchphrases are for affirming one's identity within a social group.

    You can see it happen even when the cause is a noble one. Any attempt by outsiders at real discussion is met with more catchphrases and insults.

    I experience it on certain topics within Lemmy.

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