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If you said black people were too incompetent to free themselves from slavery you'd be racist.

If you say Palestinians are too incompetent to win any wars then you're racist.

Its the same fucking thing you dolt and victim blaming.

You don't repeatedly start wars, lose those wars, and then get to dictate terms to the winning army.

So might is right. If the Nazis won world war two, do you think they should be allowed to do what ever the fuck they want to conquered peoples because they won?

It is apparent that the Palestinians will not or cannot stop their children from attacking Israel.

You keep saying palestinian children are threats and Israel should be allowed to destroy any threat even if its not imminent (contradicting international law but hey ho) then saying oh but children aren't actually being targeted, they're just dying in large numbers because of IDF whoopsies.

They also pledged or gave $2 mil to Israel recently

If Palestinians cared about their children, they would raise them to not attack Israel. Apparently, they cannot or will not. This is the consequence. Israel is not there to exact an eye for an eye. They are there to destroy any threat to their security. That means destroying Hamas and all who support them.

Again this is you saying Palestinian children are threats and that Israel is justified to remove threats

The Palestinian people are too fucking incompetent

Nice racism

You claimed at the beginning of this that you are pro-palestine

Yes personally, I'm pro-palestine which means I'm anti-israel not anti-israeli. The state built on fascism and oppression is what needs destroyed not the people. Nice of you to shoehorn the old if your anti-israel you are antisemitic, really filling up my Zionist bingo card.

You can't pretend that those calling for peace are calling for the destruction of Israel and should be suppressed.

I'm not pretending, you just admitted to it.

When I talk about the people who call for peace, I'm talking about other people from myself, the liberals who IMO misguidedly see peace without Palestinian liberation as the solution. You insult your own intelligence to call these people anti-israeal or pro-palestine. They are pro-peace. We can both say they are wrong but they mean well. It is their human right to protest and in a democracy individuals should be able to call out their government for committing war crimes or supporting war criminals. This isn't possible in Israel and a good few western nations supporting Israel right now.

Irrelevant. People die in war, including civilians, and including children. If Palestinians cared about their children, they would raise them to not attack Israel. Apparently, they cannot or will not. This is the consequence. Israel is not there to exact an eye for an eye. They are there to destroy any threat to their security. That means destroying Hamas and all who support them.

So it's war and Israel considers all Palestinian children as threats.

Again, prove that it's indiscriminate? You don't know what the IDF knows, so you can only be propagandizing with statements like that. You want Israel to be indiscriminately bombing Gaza, because of how that changes the appearance of the situation.

Hang on you just said every child is a threat and they are going after every threat but that's not indiscriminate or genocide?

And, what does this have to do with creating a solution to the war? You advocate for peace, but you ignore what will happen to Israel if they lay down their weapons. What happens to the Palestinians if they surrender? Will they be destroyed? What happens to Israel? I bet you won't answer.

I'm advocating for liberation of Palestinian people and the destruction of the Zionist state.

You can't pretend that those calling for peace are calling for the destruction of Israel and should be suppressed. Israel has not disappeared in peace time during the last 75 odd years, in fact it keeps getting stronger and bigger.

It would be wise to stop attacking the giant bear that has the power to oppress and destroy you.

So don't defend yourself from this angry bear that thinks you are a threat and wants to kill or oppress you even if you haven't done anything yet.

You really said the quiet part out loud in this comment.

Apologies I misread your comment and thought you were saying the CCP were Nazi's.

Since you mentioned it, i have to ask what's so bad about China now?

Not a big fan of any nation state myself as an anarchist but want to know specifically what you'd consider bad that couldn't be applied to the US or other western nations.

So an organisation the US is a member of, contributes to financially and has a large amount of influence in has blocked the democratic election of a Latin American leader. Allowed the installment of a temporary leader that they like. The current US president at the time vocally backing the organisation mentioned above and regurgitating the misinformation pushed by that organisation.

The only involvement you saw was a couple of congress members calling for the US to investigate and calling for the US to promise not do what they have always done, starting now.

Did you even read the article?

Also nice of you to ignore the first half of my original comment.

You don't know what's happening to the other hostages either but you assume the worst and eat Zionist propaganda up.

Nearly the same amount of Palestinian children have been randomly murdered by Israeli bombs as people died on the 7th, thats not even counting all the other innocent men, women, press, UN staff, medical workers and hostages that have died because of Israels indiscriminate bombing.

They are currently mowing the lawn with bombs rather than gunning them down. The effect is the same.

There have been 1000 people detained in the west bank recently, Israel is detaining Jewish citizens because they are going against the government by calling for peace.

Israelies can not currently enact their right to protest against the government. That doesn't scream democracy to me.

The fascist Zionist state hurts Israeli Jews as well as Israeli/Palestinian Christians and Muslims.

Don't tell me you think the Nazi party were socialist because it was in their name?

You wouldn't mean these hostages?

Israeli settlers and soldiers tortured, raped and murdered Palestinians in the west bank.

Israel also is imprisoning a number of Palestinians including 500-1000 children in military detention each year and currently an estimated ~150 minors in the Israeli prison system, are they not hostages?

If I go to Gaza/west bank, based on the deaths so far I'd be more likely to die by IDF stray bullets or Israeli bombs than by hamas.

You ignore Israeli crimes and just point out hamas, its exactly what you accuse me of doing.

What did I get wrong exactly?

This comment is unproductive.

We do disagree on a fundamental fact, that America is a police state.

bobs_monkey hypocritically excuses american actions when they would use the same actions committed by non aligned states as evidence that they are police states.

Countering this narrative is productive to my goal, even if I don't convince bobs_monkey. It doesn't let what is essentially american propaganda go unchallenged for future readers.

Iraq, Afghanistan, maiden coup, Palestine, Philippines, Syria, Libya and probably more that I don't know off the top of my head.

Weird you had to specify Latin American democracies

There is no such thing as passive surveillance if all surveillance data can be automatically flagged or you have an army of agents trawling through it all. Both things America is doing.

Saying fuck the US government online probably puts US citizens as well as global citizens on lists.

America is notorious for embedding into and destroying movements. This happens to this day.

Also hate to break it to you, if you're in the US you're physical movements are also most likely tracked.

It's pure cope to say you have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide as you just did.

Nah you only ask what happened on the 7th, you don't want anyone to look earlier than that.

2023 was already one of the bloodiest years for Palestinians before the 7th.

Israel has been punching for years then crys when they get punched back only to punch all the harder while still playing the victim.

Ofc they have a responsibility to their own actions but I would view them like the French resistance. Paraphrasing from a BBC article on war crimes committed by the French resistance: you can commit what is morally wrong while still being on the side of righteousness.

You are removing responsibility from a state that has a duty to protect it's people. Never mind that it was very likely they knew something was coming.

They would not kill me at all because I'm not a settler living on stolen land. If you are scared that they will kill you you've got to ask yourself why. Most people in the world do not live on occupied land and do not live under any such threat.

Israel was responsible for the 7th, they created the situation and they moved troops from the border to torment the west bank. Israel failed it's people on that day.

You try the same old shit, I call out Israeli crimes and you say I'm endorsing terrorism. I can be critical of terrorist organisations at the same time as being critical of nation states.

Remember Israel just spent 7 million dollars on YouTube ads in the past 10 days, so i hope youre not pushing state propaganda for free, they can well afford to pay you too.

I said kill OR displace 2 million, they don't need to kill to commit war crimes or ethnic cleansing.

Israel also bombed the supposedly safe route to the south, so there goes the whole benevolent state lie.

Israel doesn't minimise damages, it in fact calls for the most extreme revenge against Palestine and minimises the media coverage when it blows back against them.

No matter what hamas has done it can't be allowed to deflect from Israeli crimes, Israel has been called out by the UN for committing genocide.

The fact you compare a terrorist organisation to a state that should be expected to be held to a higher set of standards is pretty damming to that state.

You're putting words in my moyth, we both agree that a ceasefire is not a solution as the injustice will just continue.

We disagree on solution though, Israel is the occupier and will kill or displace 2 million Palestinians as soon as it can. We didn't let the Nazi state or fascist italy exist after the war. We now look back and consider Rhodesia and apartheid SA to be bad. The same applies to treatment of natives by most other colonising nations.

Israel is on the wrong side of history and like all fascist and colonising states it should be torn down.

Aww did someone tell you that running a genocidal apartheid state would be easy and have no risks?

What poor genocide apologists.

It is extreme.....

4,200 murdered, 1 million people displaced all in 10 days. (From a UN article dated the 17th, probably not the current total)

There's an esrimated 50,000 pregnant women now without proper healthcare, never mind the those with chronic physical or mental health issues.

The general population facing lack essentials like food and water.

Did no one tell you it's cringe to defend fascist states or does that boot taste nice?

Biden's accounts of the evidence they've seen

You in the comment with all the links

A White House spokesman later clarified that Biden had not seen the photos and had based his comments on Israeli media reports and comments from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s spokesman.

From this article

Nice how you completely glossed over the word ghetto.

Did you even watch the video I linked?