spiderplant @ spiderplant @lemm.ee

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You got a source for that?

You support being uneducated and sticking you head up bibi's ass.

It's not really a bad comparison, Israel has dropped a shit load of ordanence, more than the US used in the Afghan war.

It is funny how you only care about Palestinian civilian deaths when there isn't enough of them.

Hamas' goal is not to eradicate the Jewish people you dolt, are you about to bring up a document written by a couple of people that is largely ignored by most and even refuted by Hamas that they follow it?

Pure Zionist playbook that one.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki: 15kT

Gazz sinze the 7th: 25kT

So yes the power of two nukes.

https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/5908/Israel-hits-Gaza-Strip-with-the-equivalent-of-two-nuclear-bombs

Eradicate the state not the people. Stop projecting your genocidal tendencies onto others.

Imagine being this cringe

So you support a terrorist state attempting to eradicate safe spaces for Jews outside of Israel by funding antisemitic groups in those countries, and getting Jews killed in the process. Good to know.

Hate to break it to you but violence has been the solution in every successful civil rights movement.

All your rights we're violently fought for and defended at some point in history.

Saying killing Nazis would have made the holocaust worse has to be one of the dumbest things I've read. How could it be any worse!?

How many dead? Oh yeah its almost like the billions poured into Israel by the US gives them an unfair advantage and allows them to be the oppressor.

Israel has bombed Gaza with the equivalent of two Hiroshima nukes. 9000 rockets is nothing.

The ultimatum posed to me was democracy vs god emperor, in this context it is clearly putting democrats as the democratic option and republicans as the theocratic authoritarian option.

Me saying in response:

democracy (fascism lite) vs fascism

Is not me saying democracy is fascism, its me saying the two options both look like fascism from outside the US.

The current problems in the middle east are mainly due to western powers. Whether that is the British or French drawing random lines on a map over 100 years or america destabilising resource rich countries.

Things that make it look like the US is the bad guy once again:

• the US and Israel funded Hamas to take power away from the more secular left PLO (not the first time funding religious extremists)
• the US tried to stage a coup after Hamas took power in a democratic election
• Gaza has oil and gas deposits that Israel is selling contracts for
• Israel has released plans to build a bigger competitor to the Suez canal that would benefit the US as they would profit from international trade and not Egypt who isn't aligned with US interests (read Muslim country)
• going through Gaza would make this proposed canal straighter therefore cheaper to build and faster to navigate
• US arms companies benefit anytime a country is buying stockpiled armaments

Unironically we wouldn't be in this situation if the US and israel weren't dicks about everything.

My friend, the IOF policy to drop bombs and white phosphorus over densely populated areas (a war crime btw) puts civilians in the line of fire intentionally.

Never mind their policy to shoot any IOF soldiers and settlers who are being taken hostage.

https://www.jordannews.jo/Section-20/Middle-East/Helicopter-footage-shows-IOF-targeting-of-civilians-at-music-festival-32190

I mean if you think apartheid south Africa, Jim crow laws and indiscriminate killing of second class citizens by the police or army are issues deserving of nuanced debate you need to take a look at yourself.

My point is that the incumbent party and the opposition are both anti democracy and authoritarian compared to the rest of the world.

Look at the police brutality against peaceful activists in the capitol last night and tell me if that was China that wouldn't be used by the American media to tell Americans how authoritarian China is.

This is happening under the democrats, the alleged protectors of democracy. Last time I checked freedom of speech was a democratic ideal in America and the right to protest was a human right.

Neo-colonialists the lot of them sadly

So no ceasefire till every Palestinian is dead? IOF has a 99% civilian casualty ratio, to take out Hamas fully the civilian death toll would be massive.

A cancer is something that spreads and kills the host. Oh I've just described isaerl, funny that.

Resistance to oppression is always justified. You can critically support groups like Hamas because they are the only ones fighting the oppressor. If the UN was actually stopping Israel I wouldn't need to vocally support the next best thing.

So your issue is that Israel couldn't negotiate better or at all?

And I have Palestinian friends that have lost tens of family members.

Did looking at Nazis as the bad guys stop peace?

But no I'm asking if you support critically or uncritically the allies in ww2.

If you support the allies even though they committed war crimes and you don't at least uncritically support an oppressed peoples struggle then you are at best a hypocrite and at worst a racist.

Swap excess money for excess natural resources and you've got the US

Hamas wants hostages to do a hostage swap for Palestinians that Israel is holding hostage in their prisons.

This is true of any organisation fighting a nation state.

The IRA did hostage swaps with the British government and this was one of the reasons there is peace in northern Ireland.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/oct/18/prisoner-swaps-cornerstone-northern-ireland

Edit: looking at tavarins comment history it is most likely they are a Zionist mouthpiece. Hope they are getting paid and not doing unpaid labour ❤

Alright what about warcrimes committed by resistance fighters and the allied forced during ww2?

If you support those groups even though they have done bad shit then you're a hypocrite and you should try and understand why you consider them differently.