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AIPAC has a stranglehold on our entire system of government and it wont let it go or allow that to change. Protest has become meaningless.

The quote I am replying to is at the top of my reply..

stopping shipments is not going to achieve anything. Polling shows its popular

Thats a flat out lie.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/stop-us-arms-transfers-israel/

https://thecradle.co/articles-id/25363

https://www.commondreams.org/news/us-weapons-israel-2667435101

willdo. cheers.

Well she can change her stance on the weapons shipments any time she wants. She keeps losing support every day in the polls, so I suggest she stop digging and try something else. Or she is going to lose. Theres a lot of progressives who will vote for her if she stops the shipments and wont vote for her if she stays the course. This is her choice.

You want to talk to someone about ass logic, talk to her.

1. Is it me or Harris who made the choice to support a far right wing war that so many dems are having trouble with? Its Harris. She has people on staff that tell her the odds. She is choosing this.
2. The focus of her ground game is courting republicans-- not progressives, and going to the right on issues to woo them. She's moving the party right and in doing so she keeps losing ground in the polls. Every day is worse polling for her. But its my fault huh.
3. You have no idea what my actions are.

Everyone, including you, has a line, where you will say, "no more, I will not participate in this evil". Maybe for you its having American kids in the US lined up on a wall and shot if they shoplift, or something. For some people its having the Dem candidate openly support mass murder. The fact that your line doesnt match others is natural and is no reason to denigrate those other people.

You'll get to where we are soon enough.

Disclosure is not owed to anyone on this issue. I think if you are asking the question, you should expect evasiveness up to the point of lying. Its a reflection of how bad things are in our government.

Its hard to be informed about that stuff without searching for it very very explicitely. Where do you get your news on the regular?

Can we do something like this with Florida while she's there?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5zpaYDHl9g

Harris could still change her mind at the last minute.

Harris has lost 1.2% of the vote since Oct 1, so whatever she is doing isnt working.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/national/?ex_cid=abcpromo

i think breaking the barrier of sex in terms of male/female president is a powerful thing.

I agree with that, and its long overdue, but if she fumbles badly she may set everything backward.

Certainly gives us more time to try to do something about it, yeah.

The time to do something about it is during an election. Politicians couldnt care less what you think after they have your vote. They dont need your money.

So wasting the chance to pressure our candidate in a close election is moronic huh. Alrighty friend.

Protests, local elections, pressuring representatives. If you actually care and aren’t just virtue signaling, do shit that matters.

I like how you list "pressuring representitives" on your list of "shit that matters". Right next to "protests". ... I am literally pressuring our representative.

do shit that matters

Like you're doing?

But yeah let me know how your letter writing and sign holding campaign goes in the face of AIPAC domination of our entire governmental system. I am sure you will be successful with such bold and timely measures. Hey have you tried a call in campaign to representitives's interns? I'm sure they just need to know what you think in order to choose to do the right thing.

Agree 100%, but he's not a god. He can be wrong, same as everyone else. I think he played this wrong.

We know that Harris will let the zionists do whatever they want, whenever they want, however they want, no matter what it costs the US. Your saying theres much difference between that and whatever Trump plans is dumb. Is Trump going to double kill people and double steal their land?

Anybody voting against Harris over Gaza is a moron

I think war crimes surrogates are worse than morons.

Love you Bernie, but get bent.

Our system of government is fundamentally rotten and needs to be changed

Allowing yourself to be steered by maneuvered into giving away your once every 4 years bit of negotiating ability is not the way you do that.

My vote is one of many who think this way. When you stand alone you are unempowered yes, but when you have a lot of people behind you then you're a movement and you have power. The anti genocide movement has power that Harris needs to win, Our votes are there for the taking, and its up to Harrsi to choose whether she'll pick AIPAC or us. If she picks AIPAC and the destruction of our republic, then thats on her. IF the continuation of our system of government depends on bribery to do the murder of innocents, then its time to change our system of government.