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It was all a show the whole time anyway. They stopped because it was increasingly absurd and embarassing. Israel never wanted peace, or the hostages back.

The UN should shoot back.

I actually thought this was something he really said for a second.

yep, it was said.

“We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai.” David Ben-Gurion May 1948

On the 6th of February 1948, during a Mapai Party Council, Ben-Gurion responded to a remark from a member of the audience that “we have no land there” [in the hills and mountains west of Jerusalem] by saying: “The war will give us the land. The concepts of “ours” and “not ours” are peace concepts, only, and in war they lose their whole meaning” (Ben-Gurion, War Diary, Vol. 1, entry dated 6 February 1948. p.211)

The acceptance of partition does not commit us to renounce Transjordan. One does not demand from anybody to give up his vision. We shall accept a state in the boundaries fixed today — but the boundaries of Zionist aspirations are the concerns of the Jewish people and no external factor will be able to limit them.” P. 53, “The Birth of Israel, 1987” Simha Flapan

I think the same. Not sure what to do about it though. If our choices in this "democracy" are a criminal who wants to murder us all and end our democracy (Trump) or a political party that openly supports genocide (Harris), then its time for our system to find some third solution than voting for one of these two. Its hard to figure out how to do that though. We're all absolutely being played, both dem and republican-- and they arent even doing a compelling job lying to us. Its an extra insult-cherry on top.

Dont forget the purposeful murder of every journalist and aid worker they can find, very explicit and purposeful starving of a civilian population, and their attempts to frame the UN as a terrorist organization.

Agreed. Mossad spends a lot of time and huge amounts of money spreading myths of how capable they and the Israeli military are. A good chunk of Israeli military are conscripts serving short terms. Israel is powerful because they have bought off western powers, not because they are in any way a power unto themselves. If the western powers would start prosecuting Israeli spies and theives itd be a good start, and the world would quickly see they arent scary against anyone with decent funding.

Sure seems like plain old terrorism to me.

Israeli terroristic threats levied to innocent civilians. Must be a wednesday.

Its pretty damn sad that we are being told to enthusiastically settle for the, "nothing will fundamentally change" candidate, in the face of obvious genocide and war crimes. But its hard to argue with the idea that a dem centrist beats a gop candidate. I wonder if that will ever change, or are we now permanently stuck voting for 5% better than fascism in every election.

There are intelligence briefs

Those arent worth the cost of complicity in israeli crimes and 80 years of making literally billions of muslim people angry at us. We are destroying the entire western alliance with this and it will lead to the fall of the UN, wars, Global loss of soft power for the US, and probably the state of Israel nuked. I'd guess the middle eastern people would prefer to live next to a smoking radioactive crater rather than a group of violent criminal psycopaths. Its aimple human nature to eliminate such threats.

This "intelligence" is not worth even a small portion of that cost. And are you suggesting that feeding the endless military industrail complex is in US interests? it isnt. It only benefits the rich. The rest of the world finds other things to do with their industrail output besides creating bombs that kill and massively pollute.

You fall right into that "pick a side and get in line to accept whatever their consultants want or get bribed to do" fallacy. If every Dem had pressured the dem leadership by voting uncommitted, the dem leadership would have known they were going to lose and changed course. But people like yourself take whatever slop falls on the floor and call that dogs dinner enough of a democracy. Thats Pathetic.

The last person to push AIPAC to be registered as a foriegn lobbyist group was Kennedy. He was murdered shortly afterwards. Unfortunate coincidence.

The Jewish people have the right to a home state as facing antisemitism has been a distinct reality

No. They dont. And stop pretending that the zionists speak for all jews. They do not now and never have. There is no threat to global jewery except from the theiving and murderous actions of the zionists. No one cares about the jews, they do however want 2000 years of zionist criminality and terrorism to stop.

There is no "right" to steal other peoples land and kill them if they wont get off it. There never has been. This round started in 1947 when that "right" you describe was rewarded with land by the UN, to be equitably shared with the current inhabitants. The UNs pity party for the nazi's crimes is long since over. Take it up with right wingers if you have a problem with the fascists, but dont claim a "right" from the rest of us that doesn't exist and never has. Your philosophy is simple troglodyte thievery and religious entitlement, nothing more or less.

Why should anyone defend a colonization effort so badly off the rails and out of touch with basic human dignity? There has never been a reason besides $$$ to defend Israel. If we send Israel our addresses will they spread some of that sweet bribery our way? no?

Or rank and file dems should grow the courage of their convictions and organize to stop allowing the dem centrists to take the zionist campaign money. Polls show most Americans dont support The zionists colonization and their associated war crimes.

Because his abysmal approval ratings bring Harris's down too. Harris has never been good at formulating any statement of her own principles-- even back when she was running for president against Biden, she had no platform, just bromides that polled well. She's a cardboard cutout.

100% agreed. There are no US bases in Israel except a single radar base in the negev with 12 people in it, and a desk inside an israeli military base with 2 people in it. We dont even resupply our navy in their ports. It was big news in 2016 when we did it once. We have joint air bases just miles from the border of Israel and Jordan that we and Jordan and Britain operate our air force out of. Similar situation in Cyprus.

We have no need of Israel as an "ally" at all, and they have never been useful in any of our military operations in the middle east. They are pure baggage and always have been. To add to that, all their nuclear material that they built their nukes out of was stolen from inside the US. They dont even bother to deny it. No one cares.

The anger at the US by middle eastern people has always been about the abuse and colonization in Gaza. Bin Laden claims he attacked on 9/11 because of the injustcies in Gaza, but we all bought Bush's idiot line that "they hate us for our freedoms". But that colonization has never been necessary or right. Its always been in support of zionist religious land theft goals. We have middle eastern problems and conflict because the Israelis want to steal land. Thats the long and short of it.

The israelis cooperate with Bidens fake "leaks" as well, and pretend to be "upset". As long as the arms keep flowing and the American youth and left is held down-- thats all that matters. While I loathe Trump, captured by Russia and murderous corruption, I also loathe Biden, a lifelong racist misogynist liar bought and paid for by the zionists. Both are also idiots putting on a pretty transparent show. The fact that many americans eat it up and accept it as normal doesnt speak well of us as a people. The western order is truly dead and buried.

He's crooked and just doesnt want to be seen doing it. He's alwas been crooked. They didnt call him the senator from MBNA for nothing.