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Living in fear of right wing bullying is not productive. We can either cower or we can kick them in the face or ridicule them when they go low. The dems do far too much cowering the past few decades. Americans love a good snappy comeback, and so far all we have doing it is old coach Waltz.

People liked Trumps sassy one liners too, as much as they didnt want to. And Bush's. The more brazenly stupid the better.

The strong win and the weak cry about injustice.

Thats .. awkward. By your understanding the WW2 holocaust was ..fine and normal.

Thats how deep your morality goes huh. Wow. So you're a Nazi then?

Not yet, but soon, they'd say.

I'll throw in a few random thoughts there:

“The war will give us the land. The concepts of “ours” and “not ours” are peace concepts, only, and in war they lose their whole meaning” (Ben-Gurion, War Diary, Vol. 1, entry dated 6 February 1948. p.211)

So lets look at what will unfold in the next few months concerning Gazan land in the Israeli legal system, and in the future, Lebanese land. Once a peice of land is considered Israel, Non jews are forbidden by the torah from owning it, and jews arent allowed to sell or transfer it to non jews. They are permitted to lease it to nonjews for up to 50 years until a "jubilee" year, at which point all leases automatically terminate and the land is returned to its rightful owners regardless of other considerations. https://torah.org/torah-portion/weekly-halacha-5773-noach/ Thats for land not in a "town". If its in a town those rules do not apply. If the land has no buildings or inhabitants (which is Gaza, now) its not a town anymore and is just "land".

To add to this underdstanding of who owns 'just land', If you "find" land and improve it, with a single stepping stone even, if no one contests you after a period of 1 year, the land can be registered as yours thereafter. That is, barring any local laws which forbid such things (if say, you live in another country). But in war those laws are suspended as it is contested land. Land owners can also contest it by building an even better improvement than the interloper.

This derives from the idea that all land is actually owned by god, and Israelis are the people of god, amongst other concepts. Leviticus is chock full of land ownership rules, most of which never realy were implemented, although they are cited in disputes.

So, as we cross a year of north gaza being destroyed, religious israelis will now legally refer to all of it as unimproved land where no town sits.

As an ancillary consideration-- there are now few functioning religious sites present. This pertains to an exception about land reserved for religious purposes, and is why Palestinian graveyards were exhumed and erased, and mosques attacked. A mosque isnt a mosque if no one goes to it, and a graveyard isnt a graveyard if the bodies and markers are removed.

On the day the consideration is made the Israelis can clear out any inhabitants on it. If no one shows to the trial to contest, gaza will henceforth and forever be owned by israelis who register the land, and thus "gaza" will cease to legally exist as militarily occupied land, and will legally be considered Israel, by Israelis at least, and by people who consider these land rules to be a legitimate practice-- which surprisingly a lot of countries will do, because its customary to honor the laws of foriegn lands.

So look for that in the actions of their military in the week after the US election in November. They'll probably eventually do it in souhtern Lebanon as well, if they can make enough excuses to bomb city blocks and hold them vacant for a year. The US will back the ownership transfer and say they customarily dont get involved in internal government issues, and have no room to comment, if local laws were followed. They will tell people to take it up with the Israeli courts.

Money absolutely makes the world go round. Who do we get angry at when our politicians got bought fair and square in a capitalist system? (Progressives and the youth is the easy answer of course, but I intended this to be a rhetorical question.).

Its not even illegal to bribe/lobby them.

Man. I wonder if we are going to lose. Its definitely possible at this point, but hard to imagine. How awful are our dem candidates to lose to an insane peice of human trash like Trump

Heres some of Ben Gurions more human quotes that show you where he was at when Israel was founded. (the rest if his are pretty bloodthirty) Does this look like religious hatred to you or just a desire to steal land?

“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” David Ben-Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

“Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. … Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice.” — David Ben Gurion. Quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky’s Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan’s “Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.

Are we still pretending the western powers cares about human rights abuses? While they actively fund a genocide of civilians? What a pathetic joke.

Hamas tried immediately to trade the Israeli hostages for hostages the Israelis are holding, without charge, withour trail, indefinitely. israel said no. But no one ever wants to talk about the hostages the Israelis took before Oct 7. They want to pretend this started on Oct 7.

They are there because the Israelis act like spolied violent children. They dont WANT to be there.

I’m sure the US will protest this time with real energy

Are you thinking 'sternly worded memo' or 'a leak that Biden is outraged behind the scenes', but not officially? Those seem extreme.

How about one or all 3 of these:

1. We order 100 pizzas to the Netenyahu family house that they didnt even order themselves, and leak a photo of Biden on the phone to the media. We'll pay for those pizzas of course.
2. We could also send a prepaid hot stone masseuse to their home who also had a mildly questionable political bumper sticker on their car.
3. We could send the far right Israel government leaders on a luxury vacation, but ensure that the little bottles of alchohol in first class on the plane are extra small sized. I've never been in first class myself, but I can imagine that would be extremely frustrating.

The Israelis did it in 2006 as well. killed 4 UN peacekeepers chilling in their post. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_incidents_during_the_2006_Lebanon_War No real repercussions from it.

They did it during the 6 day war too. Rolled up on some UN peacekeepers trying to leave the sinai and slaughtered them. 15 killed 17 wounded. 14 Indians and 1 Brazilian. TheUN peacekeepers were evacuating at the time and Israel didnt even pretend to not know they were UN.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Emergency_Force No real repercussions from it.

They also attacked the USS Liberty, and American Navy ship in international waters, killing 34 and wounding 171. Israel pretended not to know it was American, but its not a beleivable denial. As always, there were No real repercussions from it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

Its clearly standard operating procedure to murder some UN peacekeepers. Its not like they are hard to pick out in their bright white painted vehicles and structures, and blue uniforms. Its just plain old murder.

the countires those soldiers are from should bring in some jets and take care of that problem. Putitng up with being shot by far right wing fascists is some shameful bullshit.

What kills me about this is if the neolib dems had taken just a moment at the primary to cast their vote for undecided to show the Dem leadership that genocide was a non negotiable issue they should do the right thing on, it might have worked.
It would have cost absolutely nothing, and we might be coasting to an easy victory right now. Instead we're here.

And Trump is in Russias pocket, and Biden and Harris are in Israels.

You can write your forgiveness down on a peice of paper and fold it till its all sharp corners and jam it, for all any of us care

The dems need progressive votes to win much of anything, whether they will admit it or not, the numbers dont lie. Pushing to the right so you can get "independent" voters has never worked, but the dems try it in every election. So you should be asking if progressives will forgive you. If Harrs didnt take AIPAC bribes she'd already have the numbers to win. But she took the dirty foreign fascist bribes so here we are. Try the carrot for a change. Your stick is laughable.

Wow its not the youth and progressives this time, I'm stoked. Yeah um, fuck those Stein voters they are the worst. Dont they know how democracy works?

/s

Its the genocide thats the problem-- Steins numbres are small.. And Jill Stein owes the dems nothing, she can run if she wants. Thats what democracy is about. So the new republic can suck it.

Hard to feel bad at all about any dead billionaire who lived to a ripe old age. This story seems like a complete waste of perfectly good pixels.

If they kill males 18-60 Israel calls them Hamas or Hezbollah. Even if they are workers in a catholic church.