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So change that step. Why is that particular step impossible to alter?

First off, the date and time of the execution is scheduled ahead of time. A random time to execute is even more cruel than a set time because it means the person is just waiting for something to happen. It also fucks with any kind of support for the person dying and any tracking of the steps taken to ensure it is done properly.

You're making up rules specifically to make the execution more traumatic.

No, you are suggesting making changes that would be impossible or at least harder to implement than just not executing people.

A real solution would be to administer an injection that knocks him out and then turn on the nitrogen so he would be asleep when it started. But that requires a trained medical professional, and if that was a possibility they wouldn't have fucked up trying to kill him with lethal injection in 2022.

Stop buying the state propaganda to justify executions when they keep fucking it up. You are the one promoting suffering.

Do the immigrants pay taxes for schools and healthcare? How is an increase in population from immigration different than a possible increase due to births?

Sounds like you are blaming basic social problems caused by conservatives limiting social services on immigration.

“Kenny just began to gasp for air repeatedly and the execution took about 25 minutes total.”

Even with a portion of that being 'just to make sure' his vital signs had stopped, it was certainly longer than a couple of minutes.

He held his breath for 22min? No they fucked up the procedure.

It was both.

Executions have specific steps that include setting a time and place that cannot be bypassed for surprise. Don't forget that it is a common practice for a person of faith to be present, and it isn't like you can spring something on them too and there is no reason that they would need to keep the surprise a secret.

How about we just stop killing people? He was in jail for decades already, what did making him suffer a terrible death accomplish?

"Waterboarding doesn't cause suffering because it isn't literally drowning."

That's what you sound like.

If the person knows they are in a chamber to be put to death and they want to live then they will know something is wrong and will try to hold their breath.

Mask or room are not stressful if the person does want to die or doesn't know what is going on. You have to breathe willingly for the process to work without stress.

Sick people want to die and will breathe normally, which is what makes it painless. Resisting causes the suffering.

If the person is aware it is happening it can't be humane because they can hold their breath and will still get the effects of suffocation. Plus the whole awareness of being killed.

Oxygen deprivation won't kill you fast enough to not notice what is going on if you know it is going to happen.

If you hold your breath you still build up CO2. You know, as a reaction to being killed.

Just like with anesthesia, all of the examples of people losing consciousness peacefully were either doing it voluntarily or unknowingly.

He could have held his breath in a chamber too. The problem is it being forced on someone instead of being voluntary or unnoticed.

The person who chooses euthanasia will also be choosing to breathe normally so they don't get a buildup of CO2 from holding their breath.

People who are being euthanized are doing it voluntarily and will breathe intentionally to get the peaceful effects of losing consciousness and drifting off. They won't be panicking, or trying not to die.

I assume they also have the option to stop at any time, so they are fully in control of the process.

The obvious outcome is someone trying to fight against being killed in whatever way they can. If you know that you won't get oxygen, the obvious response is to hold your breath.

This would work humanely for someone who wants to die, but as a method of execution is is torture like all the rest.

Need less nitrogen for a mask so it saves money!

some jackass

You did that in a safe situation where nobody was trying to kill you. I don't suffer when holding my breath underwater, but the moment someone holds me down I am going to panic.

As someone who gets nitrogen at the dentist office with a mask I have a theory that it was just him consciously fighting it.

No shit Sherlock. Someone who likes having their breathing restricted during sexual escapades would also fight it and suffer if someone was actively trying to kill them.

That said, the person quoted in this article is the executed’s spiritual advisor. If I was Smith’s spiritual advisor, I’d also be claiming the method was inhumane, violent, and awful.

Yes, the person who actually cares about the person being killed speaks up for the person being killed. Does that make their opinion less valid than all the liars who said he was going to just pass peacefully, which of course did not happen?

A lot of metal containers have linings that are considered safe for humans while sealed. Those same linings are not necessarily safe for other species, and likely become unsafe when exposed to the elements.