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I don’t care about Zionism in the slightest. I’m interested in how international states interact with each other.

We all care about innocent people being killed. Israel and Hamas do not. So we need to take our emotions out of the equation and look at this situation from their perspectives. Israel will not stop killing people unless all of their demands are met. Hamas will not get anything they demand because they are currently being obliterated, they have no leverage in these negotiations

Nope, not Jewish or Israeli, don’t really care about it. Just looking at it from their perspective. They’re whooping the shit out of Hamas in a war currently, why would they stop unless they get everything they demand?

Lol. I wish everything in the world seemed so basic and straightforward to me. Ignorance truly is bliss I suppose

But we won’t. Because then we’d be handing power to whichever of our enemies wants more power (Russia, China?)

You have very limited, or perhaps zero, knowledge of how American foreign policy actually functions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_projection

Right, and also America's closest ally in the region, and one of our closest allies in the entire world. Do you think we'll invade them to get them to stop? Apply sanctions?

I don’t think boots on the ground would be necessary if we actually sanctioned Israel, stopped providing arms, made them a pariah. But if it came to it and that was the only way to prevent more bloodshed, then we should do it.

Again, not going to happen man. They are America's strongest ally in the region, *AND one of our strongest allies in the entire world. We'll never do this. You're living in a fantasy land. So we should just stop here. You can keep wishing but you aren't looking at the facts and reality. Goodbye

I don’t care what Israel wants. Like I said, Hitler wanted to keep killing Jews - should we have worked with him?

Then we should declare war on Israel is your perspective? Because we were at war with Hitler, that's why we didn't just give him what he wanted. Because we knew we could beat them by killing them. If you truly think the US will ever declare war on Israel, you're insane and this conversation can end here. It's so outside of the realm of reality

The only way this specific conflict will end is either complete destruction of Hamas, or their complete surrender. Period.

Not how SHOULD this conflict end. The only way it will.

The reason why Germany was able to be denazified was because the Allied powers bombed them into submission, and then killed anyone with ties to the party. It’s all based on who can bring the most pain upon the other. That’s why this solution goes through Israel, unless we want to bomb them into submission. They will not respond to other pressure

That’s exactly what Israel is trying to do to Hamas right now. Bomb them into submission and then kill anyone left over who had ties to them.

I ignore the statehood/settlements stuff because Israel will never do it. It’s pointless to sit here and say “well they should just give Hamas everything they want” because they will not. They are winning the war from their perspective, so they’ll just keep bombing and killing until they get what they want. Say it’s horrible and terrible all you want, it will not change their perspective. To them, Hamas is Nazi Germany and they are the Allies. They’ll win by killing everyone if they have to.

The only TRUE solution is complete Hamas surrender. And then options like statehood are back on the table. Until then, it will just be bombing and killing

Right my whole point is I think we all know, or think, what needs to happen to achieve long term peace. But, will any of it happen? We can’t just march an international coalition into Israel and begin occupying. We can’t just force Israel to stop their campaign and release all prisoners. So what is the real solution? It’s far more complicated than just “Israel and Hamas bad, they should be peaceful will each other”

As much as we all want to see violence end, Israel is a sovereign nation with complex relationships with foreign powers. There isn’t some easy street solution to long term peace, because whatever that solution is, needs to be accepted by them. And their current political establishment don’t want to just release prisoners and give Palestine statehood.

That’s why I said complete surrender of Hamas is the only way we even begin having conversations about long term peace. Israel will accept nothing less at this point

You can’t have perpetual peace in this ongoing conflict man. Each side wants the complete destruction of the other. We can’t just say “be peaceful” and walk away and know that they will never attack each other again.

In order to do this, an international coalition needs to physically occupy and de-radicalize the radical factions. Like post-war Germany, this won’t be some overnight fix. It will take immense resources and effort. Is that going to happen?

“Dehamasification” isn’t bombing and killing all of Hamas, so no I don’t think the current situation is being successful. It’s a long term project that will likely take decades, with an international occupation force overseeing it.

But this specific conflict does not end until Hamas surrenders. Israel will not stop until that end is met. We can argue all day about the morality of that, but it doesn’t matter, that’s the reality of the facts on the ground at this moment

Well peace, until Hamas has gathered more strength and attacks Israel again, right? How many months of peace do you think it will be before they’re firing rockets into Israel again? How many peaceful months until they launch another terrorist attack and kill 1000+ and kidnap 250?

The only solution is the dehamasification of Gaza. An international coalition overseeing the process, similar to post-war Germany. Otherwise this back and forth will continue forever

The US should probably lead that coalition. I don't think the American political establishment has the will, or support, to do that however. We'll see

Usually terms that equate to “leave us alone so we can plan our next attack on you” would just be laughed at. But for some reason, since the other party is Israel, I guess they’re monsters if they don’t accept. Complete Hamas surrender or nothing. Gaza needs to be “dehamasafied” a la Berlin 1945 (copied my comment from another similar thread)

Usually terms that equate to “leave us alone so we can plan our next attack on you” would just be laughed at. But for some reason, since the other party is Israel, I guess they’re monsters if they don’t accept. Complete Hamas surrender or nothing. Gaza needs to be "dehamasafied" a la Berlin 1945

These fucking assholes are some of the least Christ-like people on Earth. The irony is hilarious

Ok, so either way, there’s innovation no?

I get the “Apple bad” thing but come on, they actually ARE doing something here

What the fuck did you just call me? (jk)

We’ll see how it pans out. As of now I don’t know of any phone manufacturer doing on-device AI… so??? Is that innovation?

This is the idiot that wrote that book right?