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  • My take is that statement is perhaps the most authentic thing he ever said in his life. He wouldn't recognise joy of it went up to him and kissed him on the mouth.

    He must be bewildered seeing all that happy emotion.

  • Your are misrepresenting my position. I am not suggesting that we "meet in the middle". I'm say that if their ideas suck, attack their ideas.

    Furthermore, I understand your position and have respect for it. I was there too. We need to promote and communicate better. Harris's version will actually lift these same people, but they just don't understand that because of the GOP's and related Media's poison.

    Or,just continue to go down the mindless road of hate, that seems to be working splendidly. Anyway, thanks for the discussion!

  • I agree that Trump is evil. But in a democracy, people are permitted to vote how they like. That the fucking point of it. If your view prevails don't complain if the other side gets in and decides to 'other' you. You have to be fine with that, because that's what you are promoting.

    I don't know if you have heard the British singer, Billy Bragg? He's quite famous as a anti-Tory lefty. Great singer too. He wrote a song called 'Full English Brexit' and it was quite compassionate about trying to understand his ideological enemies . These people are being hurt by late stage capitalism. They can be uneducated, low information and bewildered. Hucksters have been taking advantage of their weaknesses for generations. Othering them will not change their mind. Reaching out is your only hope. Harris has that capacity if she gets a chance. I'm not a huggy huggy hippie, but this problem will not go away with more hate. That's been done for nine years now and the other guys are better at mindless hate than we are.

  • Almost half the country will vote for the orange ape. Don't other this guy's parents. If everyone voted the country wouldn't be in this situation anyway. Take 40% out of the voting pool (not even counting voter suppression) and the ill-informed will vote alongside the hyper-informed.

  • True, however Trump is turning into an icon now. He will become the dust of history. What he leaves behind is not only a dangerous idea, but a party organisation willing to pursue extreme ideology. Plus almost half the country either disinterested or absolutely fine with it

  • Cletus: I gots a great idea. Let's sell little jars with JD Vance's photo on them and tell people that it's his semen.

    Barney: Oh yes! And sell them in different flavours.

    Jed: Of course regular cum tastes terrible. My cousin's spank has an aftertaste.

    Cletus: Wat?

    Barney: Maybe pineapple or banana?

    Jed: I was thinking vanilla.

    Cletus: Wat? It's not to drink, you dumbasses.

    Barney: Ah, just gargle then.

    Jed: Don't see the point of just gargling JD's baby batter to own the Libs. Ya gots to commit!

    Cletus: Hmmmm. Boys, get my two dozen of them little jars and a catalogue on soft furnishings.