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Nah, I just thought it'd work as an example with them.

in a hospital in Gaza.

They're just putting her right in front of the zionist bombs like that?

And in every real war that has been fought, including the allies in WW2, heinous shit has happened.

Do the war crimes of the allies in WW2 mean that they were wrong to fight?

Oh gross are you just an antisemite?

No, I am not. I have not said anything antisemitic, and will not.

Israel as a nation is the problem, not jews bud. Get a life.

I agree that settler-colonialism, as represented by Zionism, is the problem. Judaism is not synonymous with the zionist project.

I'm happy to see that we've wound down your arguments to where you're grasping at straws and making up things to argue against.

People like you are the reason israel is going to win,

We'll see.

Are you, like.... stupid?

A little, yeah.

My stance from the beginning was always that palestinian attacks on israeli military installations is justified. Theyre being invaded. The problem is hamas commited a war crime that gave israel the justification to begin unquestioned and uncovered genocide.

I didn't see your support for Hamas' actions in this thread, sorry if I missed it.

The zionist entity is constantly commiting war crimes. I don't think it needs an excuse.

Could you get your head out of your ass and stop trying to justify war crimes in your slobbering hunger to see the shadow of a drop of isreali blood? Youre continuing hamas's work of making israel look good, and palestine doesnt need more enemies.

I don't think the zionists constantly bombing children makes them look good.

You called a music festival a non neutral event, for fucks sake.

I don't agree that it was a neutral event, but I'm happy to concede it as wrong for the sake of the argument here.

Is there a war that you think was fought justly?

I actually don't agree with the U$ bombing of Hiroshima, I just used it as an example that I thought would be easily understood.

I don't think the same applies to the zionist entity because it does not have a just cause for war.

Are you claiming the US was justified in its atomic bombing of hiroshima? By your given criteria, it also falls under armed struggle.

I do consider it a war crime, I used it as an example because that's not common in Western spaces.

I'll be happy to concede to you that the attack on the music festival was reprehensible, if you can concede that the Palestinian attacks on military installations were appropriate and called for.

You were already given an answer.

Ok, you answered that guerilla tactics would be best.

Any guerrilla struggle involves harm (even if accidental) to civilian populations.

If we agree that Palestinians have a right to armed struggle, and agree that they should use guerrilla tactics, why are you not supporting them?

Thank you for talking kindly to me! The current situation is very awful.

I suppose so. Still, Britain could have fought fair, on the battle fronts, after evaluating civilians. They werent wrong for fighting WWII in the first place; they were wrong for how they went about it.

Sure, I agree that'd be best. I can't think of a war that hasn't had a reprehensible component; I'm not sure it's possible to entirely avoid civilian casualties.

I don't think we really disagree on much here. I don't think every aspect of what the Palestinian forces are doing is good, but I do think they've been forced into a (literal) corner, where they don't have any choices.

A music festival on the edge of the world's largest open-air prison is not a neutral event.

Courting public opinion is not armed struggle.

We agree that Palestinians have a right to armed struggle, right?

How do you recommend they go about that?

The British 100% engaged in war crimes during WWII, including the bombing of the city of Dresden.

Can we agree that those war crimes (while wrong and regrettable) don't mean the British were in the wrong in fighting WWII?

think based on what little I know of the region and the style of invasion, guerrilla tactics would likely be ideal.

The current engagement is largely guerilla tactics against military installations.

Finding some sort of ally on the global stage to help them argue their case against israels abundant political backing. Make the occupation as inconvenient for israels government as possible, while doing everything they can to shift the global publics opinion into sympathy for their fight.

This is not armed struggle. The Palestinians have a right to armed struggle.

Is there any war that was fought in a way you find acceptable?

The zionists played a part in the accendancy of Hamas over the PLO:

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/

Communists from the PLFP are active in the current struggle as the "Abu Ali Mustafa Brigades".

Do you recognize the bombing of Hiroshima as a war crime?

Sure, but I'm trying to carry the conversation on terms they'll understand.

How do you recommend that Palestinians engage in armed struggle?

Palestinians have a UN recognized right to armed struggle. How do you recommend they carry that out?