silent_water [she/her] @ silent_water @hexbear.net

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winning the hearts and minds of the people we brutally conquered and ruled over for 20 years

did they leave the headlines? I'm pretty sure they've been there the whole time.

also, never forget that the "national solvency" concept is itself a product of austerity politics. if the US government wants to keep social programs funded, it can do so with no negative consequences, even if taxes don't go up.

I mean, that's exactly what all three of those were intended to do -- carry property law over into a domain where it clearly doesn't make sense. so it's fully

the US is historically anti-LGBT and it's currently undertaking a genocide of trans people in red states.

no one has linked to this thread and encouraged users to jump in. it's just at the top of Active.

at the time the decision was made, the site hadn't yet taken a zero tolerance policy about transphobia - this was 3 years ago. so we weren't sure the bans would actually happen. a few months later, the fact that pronoun tags were mandatory got relitigated so often that trans users started leaving, including one of the admins of the site. they convinced her to stay and had a come to jesus moment and they immediately took a hardline stance against bigotry. the decision not to put in an open field was never relitigated because it was such a tumultuous time for the community - for the longest time, no one wanted to reopen those wounds.

I should also say that since then hexbear has become the most trans-supportive space, that's not exclusively for trans people, that I've ever been in. and the fact that pronoun tags makes every reactionary froth at the mouth has been a boon for making sure reactionaries can't hide amongst the userbase for very long before they out themselves involuntarily.

it's because of the edgier humor on the site amd the constant influx of right wing trolls. we'd all prefer an open field but it would get abused more often than it would get used for it's intended purpose. or at least, that was true at the time. banning all the "dae pronouns are bad" reactionaries from the userbase might make it something worth revisiting.

you're aware people had gender before anyone ever said the words she or her, right? I'm rolling at the idea that pronouns define gender. you troglodyte - pronouns arise as a compromise between society and the individual. they're cultural while gender is something that belongs entirely to the individual.

how on earth do cis people live like this

I'm going with trumpet-male-arrow

yeah, that's the part that confuses me. whatever it is, it's another stupid decision in a series of stupid decisions, and hopefully it just kills the instance.

everyone who disagrees with me is a shill 🌽

justifying the expropriation of surplus value through tired liberal platitudes - it's almost like someone wrote a book 200 years ago explaining in gratuitous detail why you're wrong.

oh I know. but they'll dial that ratchet straight to 11 once Brown is gone.

you're just leeching off from someone else's hard work

so are the people profiting from said work. the owners of the business keep the revenue, they don't give it to the people who did the hard work.

not unless the Ds suddenly decide they want to fight back and pack the court or something. barring that, the right has a majority on the court for the next generation.

In user-moderated platforms, vocal minorities don't show up anywhere, they get moderated out basically automatically except in their own little enclaves.

I will take this to mean communists make up a soft majority on lemmy given the number of complaints about commie posting keep popping up on the major comms

"CSAM instances" <-- Pretty sure any publicly facing instances with this problem would be tackled by law enforcement pretty quickly.

as far as I've heard, they're still up and major instances are still federated with them.

"Nazi instances"< -- These ones will likely de-federate themselves from the wider federated web, they can't handle a broad range of perspectives well.

this is a deep misunderstanding of how far-right groups operate. they actively seek connection with the wider community because it presents them a chance to recruit and they're numbers get decimated when they're deplatformed. offering them a base of users to proselytize to only benefits them.

Social media has enabled these groups to both silo themselves and get promoted to users site-wide

yes precisely

This method of content promotion is responsible for the explosion of online hate content in the last decade

this has a deeper material reason underlying it. it's got more to do with economic decay and the lack of prospects people face than the algorithms. we saw the same thing early last century. far-right ideology explodes in popularity when the left fails to make the case for a more equitable distribution of resources and because our oligarchs fund them to an obscene degree -- minor fascists with a hundred followers on social media will receive hundreds of thousands of dollars in funding (cf Ali Alexander). fascist ideology spreads because it poses scapegoats for the problems in society.

Nazis had plenty of websites in the 90 and early 2000's but they didn't get much traction with them because Facebook wasn't forcing them into your home feed

yes, precisely. if normal instances federate with the nazi ones, this won't be true any longer because their content WILL flood the feeds of many people. this will have disastrous consequences for lemmy as a platform.

I really don't have a problem with these sites existing, people should be free to have their own disgusting racist thoughts and share them with their own little chat rooms and forums and the like.

I do as me and mine belong to groups they target. if they're allowed to rise to accumulate any power, it will spell death for us. there have already been multiple attempts in the US to organize pograms against trans people, as an example.

And they should be ruthlessly mocked and kicked out of every other space they could possibly go to.

however, I'd like to point out that 4chan originally started making memes to mock the fascists -- their use of irony turned over time into unironic fascism and they became a hotbed for neo-fascists.

Again, using the e-mail example, I can get an email from whitepowerwebsite as a gmail user. That's not google giving them a platform, it's just a neutral protocol for online communication (e-mail) working in a federated state as it's meant to

email is a bad example because it only provides point-to-point communication, unless you join a mailing list. social media is different -- views get broadcast to the wider public on a given platform. federating with nazis allows them to broadcast their views and create a sense that their vision of the world is actually what everyone else believes. exploding-heads is federated with lemmy.world and the consequence is that many users have left lemmy.world specifically to get away from the fascists dumping their disgusting worldview onto the platform.

Gmail isn't expected to police the entirety of e-mail, the legal liabilities lie with the sender and receiver.

they actually do have liability under laws like the DMCA, SESTA/FOSTA, and the new slate of laws recently passed to go after sex traffickers (and in reality a wide host of "undesirable" content more generally). but that aside, I'm not talking about legal liability. I'm talking about the responsibility the people running these instances have to not help build fascism. it's an ethical/political responsibility, not a legal one.

it implies that it's not democracy. people just make accounts based on which instance is currently the largest.

I think the media companies have been abusing the DMCA to go after people who link to pirated material. also, I'm starting to suspect world is trying to get funding because they're trying to "clean" the site up in exactly the way banks/VCs require for loans. it's a conservative interpretation of the law, especially the recent rounds that purported to go after human trafficking but actually forced major websites to take down anything remotely objectionable.