Red Hat / Fedora drama?
shrugal @ shrugal @lemm.ee Posts 2Comments 525Joined 2 yr. ago
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Does the fact that Red Hat [...] sound like a good direction for the OSS ecosystem? Yes. Yes it does.
I'm not disputing any of that, but it's also not an answer to my argument/question. A bad action is still bad if the same actor also does other good things. As I already said, following the open source rules/ethos in one area doesn't give you a license to break it in another and still call it open source, doesn't matter how big your other contributions are.
shamelessly make exact copies of another product
Making copies of other projects is a core principle of open source, there is absolutely no shame in it. As long as you abide by the rules of the license (e.g. credit the original) you're absolutely fine. That's because usually the creators of OS projects don't do it for the personal benefit, beyond being able to use their own creations. But ...
This sounds attractive and beneficial to you?
Depends on who's prespective you're talking about. For the community as a whole it was very beneficial, but RH as a for-profit company of course wants to make money with the whole endevour. I don't think OSS is the right place to do that (reasons in my previous post), at least not by selling access to the code itself. There are plenty of companies that contribute to OS code while also earning money with services and products surrounding it. I don't see any reason why RH can't do the same, or rather return to doing that.
CO2's share of the greenhouse effect is pretty significant (about 20% afaik), and the other gases wouldn't just fill the gap. So it would get quite a bit colder.
Wouldn't mind doing it again this weekend.
Age of Wonders 4 earlier this year was fine afaik.
Ah yes, we all know that performance problems on consoles are unheard of. And CS2 runs really badly even on some of the most popular and powerful hardware, so that argument makes no sense here.
There is no magic, the servers just send it to each other.
So you send your post to LW, they store it and show it on their website. But they also send it to all the other Fediverse servers they are connected to (aka "federated with"), so those can also show it to their users. The same thing happens when a post is updated or deleted, or when new votes come in. The servers just send each other messages about what changed, so they can all act accordingly.
War parties usually don't want to completely eradicate the opponent's population, just break their fighting power and force them to surrender. The "tolerated" form of war is a power struggle between those who want power (incl. keeping it, so defending yourself), and it should leave out those who don't as much as possible. So the idea is that you only fight the people on the other side who actually signed up for fighting, and spare those who would rather flee or accept defeat. Ofc in reality it's never that clear cut, soldiers can be forced to fight against their will for example.
If the mirrors are creating 250k new mirror accounts per day, and if one fediverser instance can convert 0.1% of these per day, it’s 250 new users who “don’t care”. In one week, these ~1500 converted users will be in conversation on both networks, which will increase the number of non-bots in mirrored threads and be enough to stop the “ghost town” feeling.
If that's not a purely hypothetical argument then I don't know what is. Your conversion numbers are taken from thin air, as is the claim that those numbers will prevent or revert the ghost town feeling. You completely ignore users signing up or going back to Reddit, you assume that everyone migrating will be ok with sharing their stuff back to Reddit, and so on. The fact of the matter is that you'll be creating a read-only copy of Reddit at the beginning, and there is no telling if that will ever convert back to a real community. But in the meantime you'll have spammed a lot of communities with tons of bot content.
I mean, try it on a few communities that agree to this and see how it works out, but don't let something like this loose on Lemmy as a whole.
The worst that Reddit can do is to revoke the keys by claiming violation of the terms of service.
I'm more concerned with the personal rights of Reddit users than whatever Reddit as a company would do, although violating their ToS on a big scale might have consequences as well. IANAL so idk what the right answer is here, but an approach like "it's fine as long as they don't sue me" is pretty reckless imo. Maybe take the rights of the people you affect into account before flipping the switch. E.g. what would you think about someone creating a bot account of you on FB and posting all your stuff there?
The idea is that if you reply to a reddit mirrored comment, you get a bot telling you “hey, this poster is on reddit, connect your reddit account to if you want to bridge the conversation”.
So for someone who doesn't want to use Reddit (probably quite a lot on Lemmy) these posts are gonna be filled with comments that they can't really anwers to. That's exactly what I mean by surreal ghost town.
Then it works by opt-out. By logging to the fediverser instance, the reddit -> lemmy mirror is automatically disabled.
I'm pretty sure that's illegal in many places. You can't just copy someone's content and tell them to login to your service if they don't like it.
So what if people don't want their answers being mirrored back to Reddit because it's a greedy company, or redditors don't want their comments on Lemmy?! Are you going to ask each one individually or just do it without their consent? Does it become a one-way mirror where someone from Reddit will never see your answer, or are you going to flood Reddit with bot accounts as well? That sounds really engaging and not at all creepy to me! /s
How come you can see the future and speak for the entire Linux community?
Pooof, we all freeze to death.
The bots are a big step backwards imo. They make this place look like a surreal ghost town, instead of an inviting place to start or participate in a discussion.
I'm not just talking about M$, most software and hardware should support Linux officially. And support also means making the usage with Linux easy and robust, having official instructions for Linux, being able to return it if it doesn't work with Linux, and so on.
Tuxedo and System76 are exactly what we need imo, but at a much bigger scale. I want Linux to be on almost every PC and laptop, and that would mean every major OEM supports it.
The content is out there on the internet, you don't need Lemmy to consume it. What you want is a community of people that care and talk about the content, but you can't just create that with a f*cking bot.
Please stop this content bot shit and just give it some time to grow organically. Reddit and Twitter weren't built in a year either. If Lemmy is any good then people will come, if not then we will move on and that's fine as well.
I mean, do you do everything around you yourself? Do you fix all your appliances, do the plumbing in your home, do your own health check-up, complete car maintenance and repairs, all the details of your finances, and so on?! Probably some of it, but we all have things we cannot do ourselves, or where it just makes sense to let people with more knowledge and experience do it for us.
For many computing is exactly that, I guess because the abstract logic of computers just doesn't come natural to them, and it can be very complicated if we are being honest. There is extensive customer support in that field for a reason. I'd say the majority of people couldn't fix a broken package installation if their lives depended on it, not without substantial time investment, education and training.
You just can't expect most people to know how it all works and be able to fix everything themselves , but they should still be able to enjoy the benefits of free software imo. Just like I can keep my home warm in the winter without having intimate knowledge about how my heater works and being able to repair it myself. I can just call the landlord and get it fixed the next day.
You are free to think that, but I completely disagree! Desktop Linux is in this "you have to fix it yourself" niche by necessity right now, not because it's a good solution. And it actively prevents most people from enjoying its benefits.
I'm not talking about how it is today, I'm talking about how I think it should be in the future. Of course there are reasons why the things are like they are today, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't or can't change.
Someone buying a Windows laptop or Android phone for example doesn't need to check if that OS is well supported on that hardware or whether they will get official support for it. The device comes with the OS and the manufacturer guarantees that it will work, that is what we should achieve for desktop Linux as well. E.g. those dev machines with Linux preinstalled and officially supported by the OEMs are a great step in the right direction, but we need that for the regular consumer across a wide range of devices!
Unofficial versions are versions created by the community because the manufacturer of a software doesn't officially support it on your platform. A simple example would be Flatpaks for Discord or Teams, or running games with Proton or regular programs with Wine. If it works it works, but the original devs won't invest any time to improve it, and they might even break things in new releases because it's just not on their radar.
And many of my friends and family do think about privacy a lot, but most of them just cannot fully migrate to Linux without extensive and continuous help from me or other techy friends/relatives. They cannot fix a broken boot or a game that won't launch unless you tweak the configs! They can use a preinstalled Windows or macOS however, and they can call/write the support of whatever they want to use if it doesn't work. There is no reason desktop Linux can't reach the same level of official consumer support, and it needs to in order to be a true alternative for regular people. They should not have to sacrifice comfort for privacy and freedom.
Why is that?
Imo the loophole is that RH is disrespecting the rights people have under the GPL by threatening negative consequences when they use those rights. E.g. you can't say I have the right to freedom of speech and also break my arm when I do it, just because I can physically speak about whatever I want. Respecting rights includes not punishing someone for using those rights.
Of course technically they are in the right, but imo it still violates the ethos of OSS as I see it.