Showroom7561 @ Showroom7561 @lemmy.ca

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Incorrect.

Being old enough to walk home alone is not equivalent to being old enough to escort a younger sibling on top of that.

Cite a source, please.

I would say 12~13 bare minimum to simultaneously watch over a 7 year old, alone, while also being in a higher danger area (like a 4 lane busy road)

What do you base that on?

But for clarity, this was two lanes, a large grass island, and another two lanes with cars going in one direction. They would have only been crossing two lanes, as do other pedestrians in that area. And a motorist seeing two kids about to cross should be able to assess the situation and slow down.

But the point is being missed: kids are being killed by drivers in "safe zones" like school areas, adults killed waiting inside bus shelters, adult pedestrians killed with the right of way at intersections, etc.

The problem are the cars, not the age of the kids.

We can't keep prioritizing cars, leaving no room for pedestrians and kids to move freely, then blame the victims.

Even in areas where adults are walking their kids through a crosswalk, cars are killing them all.

Age doesn't matter if the problem affects everyone from 7 to 70 year olds.

God, I really hope you don't have kids if you seriously think it's cool to let a unsupervised 10 year old watch a 7 year old near a busy road, that's exceptionally negligent, lol

LOL. My kids are in their twenties, and when they were that age, it was completely normal for their friends to walk over to our place, or for them to walk to their friend's place. Or them going to the park with their younger siblings or to play outside.

I have two elementary schools nearby, and it's totally normal to see young kids walking to school on their own.

And when I was a kid, this was also normal.

And all over the world, this is normal.

What's not normal is the shift of responsibility from drivers to victims. And this is coming far too common, and needs to be called out at every chance.

We obviously have different perspectives, and experiences, but maybe we can distill this.

Say your property was massive. Would you be OK allowing a 10 and 7 year old play together, or would you want an adult to be there?

I think most people would be OK with that, even in a much smaller front yard, or a cul de sac, or park.

Assuming no predators (humans or animals), the only real concern is cars. And it's maddening that we won't allow kids to be kids because of cars in any given community.

Just the other day, there was a story if a teenager getting hit and killed by a car on school property. Cars are the problem. Nearly 100% of the time.

And it's not the parents or kids' fault that they want to interact with their community outside of a vehicle. We are punishing the wrong people, in my opinion.

I agree that kids shouldn't be raising kids.

But these kids were simply walking a few hundred meters from the store to their home in broad daylight, while on the phone with their father, and were old enough to be doing so.

This would be considered completely normal in any other country.

It's also important to note that I don't believe any city, state, or country has minimum age laws for kids to walk. Staying at home alone or in a car? Yes, but not walking (or playing outdoors, or riding a bike, etc.)

So for the courts to charge the parents with child neglect and manslaughter seems wildly unbalanced.

Of course, there are always special circumstances when a child should have constant adult supervision (developmental delays, medical needs, etc.), but this wasn't the issue here.

But according to experts, if younger children (under 8) should be with an adult or older sibling, and if 10 is old enough to walk alone, then 7 with a 10 year old is fine to walk 300m home. It would make both kids safer and more visible, since they are in a "group".

If the kid was 4 or 5, then that would be different, for sure.

But why is blame being shifted onto the victim here?

There is no reason whatsoever that an older kid and their sibling shouldn't be able to safely walk two blocks to their home.

This wouldn't even be a topic for discussion anywhere outside of the united states or for anyone who was a kid before the 90s.

This is because the Ford government literally withholds funding, even when the federal government pitches in. They did this with COVID, and they're doing it now. It's disgusting, and only voters can change that.

The experts say:

National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children (UK)

Every child is different – but some schools advise children under 8 shouldn't walk home without an adult or older sibling. SOURCE

Ottawa Safety Council (Walk Alone Program, Canada)

... a good guideline for starting to think about letting your child walk alone is age 10. SOURCE

American Academy of Pediatrics (USA)

Children usually are ready to walk to school without an adult when they are in fifth grade or around 10 years old. SOURCE

They also put this poster together:

Every country has the same general consensus.

I really hope you don't have kids...

Kids and grandkids. And I was also once a kid with a younger sibling. And I see young kids walking to our local school on a regular bases.

If someone is still walking their teenager to school, they should probably stop 😮

Have you ever seen a person with a disability who uses a walker or wheelchair try to drop down from a tall curb?

Regardless of who's liable, they don't want to get hurt doing something completely unnecessary.

I'm acting like the company shouldn't be assholes, and use the abundance of space along the rest of the front face of that building.

Seven year olds are not nearly old enough to wander around 4 lane busy roads unsupervised, full stop.

He was with his older brother, who is 10.

And if a 10 year old is perfectly capable of walking to school (literally according to everyone), a 7 year old with their 10 year old brother should also be perfectly fine walking TWO BLOCKS without the worry of being killed by a driver.

And 4 lane roads should be banned in urban centers. It's fucking ridiculous to have a goddamn highway in an area where children and families should be able to walk home safely!

Youre skipping the first two words where it says “DA says”.

Again, the headline makes it sound as if Luigi has already been found to be the killer, which he has not.

The article could most certainly directly quote the DA saying that "Luigi is a murder", but the headline really needs to be accurate by saying:

"DA says 40 UnitedHealthcare execs got bodyguards, and one dyed her hair after the accused, Luigi Mangione, allegedly killed CEO Brian Thompson"

Journalistic integrity matters.

Idk what a skid is

It might also be called a pallet where you live. It's that large, heavy, wooden blue thing at the end of those racks. It doesn't slide, so you need a forklift or hand-pump lift to move it.

I mean, I have no problem moving shit that's in store aisles to get to the shelves, but there's too much liability here for me to move large plant racks, even if it was easy.

I've pretty much only played BL2/BL3 with someone else. It's so damn fun, especially the Arenas.

But I guess not any more. 😮‍💨

Free spyware! LOL What a way to spin things, devs. Well played! /s

And just push the skid out of the way, too? 😵

after Luigi Mangione killed CEO Brian Thompson

Has he already been convicted?

Terrible headline, but I can only guess that "Business insider" would rather defend a corrupt CEO than the victim of insurance hell.

Yeah, I remember that. We had HEPA filters running then, too. I couldn't go cycling during that time because of how bad the air quality was. Not good for anyone with sensitivities or lung/breathing problems.

Last night was bad (far east side of toronto... like Durham Region). It was over 180 and not only could I smell the smoke from inside the house, but my eyes were burning, too.

After closing the windows, the CO2 in here doubled. Lose, lose.

I can't imagine being <1000km away from those fires.

Wow. That's impressive.

Work without pay? This store is playing the long game! LOL

Again, I and most literally couldn't care less if they have to spend 3ft in low speed parking lot traffic like every other person.

There is no curb cut for someone with a wheelchair, mobility device, walker, stroller, shopping cart, or hand trolly to even do that. 🙄

They have a lot of space to work with, but chose to pile everything in the section right before the door.

And there are no curb cuts in front of the store, only at the entrance past this gauntlet, so someone in a wheelchair would be SOL.