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Wait, so I am confused. I said that some people seemed to be for violence, and you said I was wrong. Now you are saying that a lot in this thread disagree with my statement that violence isn't the answer.

Please disengage from this conversation. You and I are not going to agree on the violence thing. I don't advocate violence against any politician regardless of party. I hope this shooter gets caught, stands trial, and goes to prison for rest of his life. Good day to you.

What does “violence is not the answer” exactly mean?

That means that I hope no one retaliates with violence, for the awful thing that happened with the democrats shooting. And that I don't think violence against an politician for anything is called for. What else do you think I would mean?

I don’t see anyone calling for violence as a reaction to this incident, which is what you claimed.

Ok, then I am glad this thread agrees that no one believes that violence is warranted. So people here agree that this no politician should have violence inflicted upon them? Correct? Good, I think that's a sensible way to approach it. And I'm glad cooler heads are prevailing.

I'm unsure why some people seem to be annoyed that I an calling for non-violence. Especially since everyone agrees. I'm glad no one is calling for violence against politicians.

Ahhh, I guess i just read most of the comments here wrong. My bad.

So you're saying that you and everyone in this thread agree that violence is not the answer then? No one in this thread advocates violence against the republicans. Correct?

So everyone agrees that violence is no the answer? Good, glad I was so wrong. Because I definitely think violence against any politician is wrong. Glad I am in good company and cooler heads prevail.

I’m sure there are plenty of people who couldn’t be bothered to vote but could definitely be bothered to physically defend themselves and their neighbors.

I disagree. Guess we'll find out.

Who called for violence as a reaction?

Read the thread. You don't see anyone in this thread that things violence is warrented?

You’re straw manning. Please don’t.

No, I'm not. I'm advocating non-violence and pointing out how senseless this is. What the shooter did is wrong. And it would be wrong if he shot republicans as well, and i hope no one wants to retaliate with targeting other politicians now.

Two Democratic state Senators were just brutally attacked, and at least one killed. That’s not the time for Democrats to introspect, it’s a time to be outraged.

I agree with outrage. I don't agree with violence as a reaction though. My point being that the whole narrative of "violence is right to fight back" is the exact same mindset this shooter had. In his mind, he thought violence is right to fight back, and he used it. Do you think this is a good thing?

I'm saying it's wrong. But hey, you keep advocating for violence. Let me know how what works for you. I'm not going to join in your bloodlust and I don't care what side you are on. Be sure let us know how your FBI interview goes after they read this thread.

Something has changed. Hanging out on left wing social spaces has put me so far behind the information curve.

I've noticed stuff like that too. I think it's because republicans use to be so quick to judge based on emotion, and not facts. And they got called out for it. So now they are more inclined to be more informed so they don't look like dumbasses.

Even in this comm. When the iran-israel bombing thing happened I came here expecting a bunch of links and thoughtful comment. Nope. This sub stayed basically quiet while it was happening. Fox news lit up tho. Same with this shooting. Why is it taking so long to be in this sub?

Is this place censoring stuff like that or what? Why isn't stuff like that reported here anymore?

And as we can see in this thread, Lemmy is starting to do the exact same things that republicans used to be guilty of--acting on emotion rather than facts. I knew as soon as I said violence is never the answer, people were just gonna jump in and say whatabbout hitler bro!

Again, showing their lack of context and facts. I think (hope!) that Lemmy as a whole is smarter than this, but the ones who seem to comment the most aren't giving me much hope.

Lemmy, you won't win with violence. I promise. You don't have the numbers or the skills. You couldn't even enough people to vote, they aren't gonna joined you in some armed resistance.

Use your brains, not our fists. You fist are just gonna get you stomped down faster. It's exactly what the people in power want you to do. They want you to not use your brain, and immediately jump to violence. Downvoting me doesn't mean I'm wrong, it just means you're upset. It doesn't change anything though.

I'm not both sidesing at all. I said violence isn't the answer. Regardless of who it is. You all are seriously getting upset because I said that violence like this is bad for everyone?! Never change, Lemmy...

Do you believe that eliminating trump would end what’s happening in the US?

EDIT because I misread your comment: No.

K. So if people couldn't even be bothered to get out of their chairs to vote, do you think they are suddenly gonna jump up and down with excitement and join you in your adventures?

I never said it was a both sides problem. I said that violence isn't the solution, and that republicans are hoping for a violent uprising. Because they outnumber you and are trained better than you. Even if all the armchair warriors here on Lemmy joined together, you still wouldn't have the numbers.

Think about it: If people couldn't even be bothered enough to do something easy like rise up and vote, you think they are suddenly gonna join in on a violent mob uprising against the government?

This violence is the answer mindset is exactly what this shooter had. You happy with that outcome?

I agree with your sentiment.

Which is probably the exact thought process this shooter had. And he followed through. Do you think that's a good thing? Look at the results. There is no winner here. If you're itching for a fight, have at it. Which side do you think is better trained?

You all will not win this with violence. The repub military machine wants you to try to rise against them. Also add in the fact that you don't have the numbers. You all sit here all day advocating for a violent uprising. But the numbers needed for that never show up.

Repubs want to stomp you into oblivion. They are legit foaming at the mouth hoping that the crazies here follow through with their threats. You can't win this with violence--you don't have the numbers or the training. How can you all not see that? But you are smarter than them. So start fucking using the smart part of your brain.

Sometimes violence is the answer, actually.

Looks like the shooter(s?) of these Democratic politicians agreed with you in thinking that violence is the answer. You approve? He was just as strong in his beliefs as you. Think that's a good thing? He followed through with his beliefs and convictions. I hope you don't follow the same path.

I'm a lifelong pacifist and activist. You can come up with all the scenarios you want, but I will never advocate violence.

The fact that any post that says violence is bad, gets so many downvotes on Lemmy, shows me why this platform will never grow much beyond where it is now. You all are becoming the very extremists that you used to rage against. You all seem to want war just as much as the other side does.

Maybe. Maybe not. They're saying the suspect was appointed by Tim Walz, and they found anti-Trump signs in the car. It could be an attempt to throw people off the scent, or it might just be a personal vendetta. We don’t know. Either way, no matter what side the shooter is on, it’s bad for any political party. It will only fuel more dissent and division.

I remember when Trump was shot at, and people here were celebrating, saying things like, "Oh, I wish they had better aim." Now, it’s happened to Democrats, and people are acting horrified.

Shooting political figures is never a good thing, regardless of their party. Lemmy needs to stop celebrating violence when it happens to people they don’t like. The reality is, this stuff happens to people they do like too. Violence is never the answer; it always ends up worse.

Many of these things end with the shooter killing themselves. I hope that doesn't happen here, because I want his craziness exposed and have him serve rest of his life in prison. Just the pics of the weird-ass mask that he wore doing it proves he's out of his mind.

Great analogy! Even in this thread there are heaping amount of copium with people saying, "Meh, ai will never be able to do my job."

I fucking promise in 5 years, ai will be doing the job they have right now. lol

As a CS grad, the problem isn’t it replacing all programmers, at least not immediately. It’s that a senior software engineer can manage a bunch of AI agents, meaning there’s less demand for developers overall.

Yes! You get it. That right there proves that you'll make it through just fine. So many in this thread denying that Ai is gonna take jobs. But you gave a great scenario.

I don’t understand how you think this works.

Do you think I am the only one that thinks like this? You don't think middle and upper management thinks like I do?

But I don’t see any radical shift in the industry.

Oh, I'm saving this comment. Dude, go into any CSjobs forum and you tell me that there's not a shift in the industry. lol

I'll say this. I hope you're right. (but you're not)

My biggest concern is probably that AI is currently eating junior dev jobs, since what it excels at is typically the kind of work you’d give to a junior engineer.

Yeah, def gonna be rough for people graduating from college right now.