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  • Surely if we just shame our supporters harder we'll win next time

  • The liberals will do what they always do: blame the American people. They love America, at least technically. They love the theory of America, the concept of America, the mechanisms, but they hate Americans. They can't stand the troglodytic unwashed, uncouth, irreverent, ignorant masses.

    I think it's more accurate to say that they love American profits, personally.

    If they loved America or the American people they would have done more than the bare minimum for the middle and lower classes over the last 25y.

  • Or we could just get the neolibs out of the core of the Democratic party. They've been more concerned with corporate donor profits than the welfare of the working class since the 90s.

  • Ah, we're still in the blame everyone phase of the defeat aren't we.

    Usually when you lose a popularity contest the thing to do is ask what the other side did better, not blame everyone else for being wrong.

    I voted for Harris. Biden and Clinton 2 - at the time they were the least bad option of the two presented. That wasn't enough for a lot of people and we should probably start trying to understand why.

  • It's hard to motivate people to show up when the platform has been "it puts the neoliberal on its skin or else it gets the Trump (again)" for 8y. Couldn't we have talked jobs and material improvements for the lower and middle class or something?

    Edit: if anyone's curious how the Democrats lost this election just scroll down this comment tree. Instead of asking how we can do better everyone's consumed with finger pointing and "you deserve this!" as if we just shame our own voters enough we'll surely win next time. Take a beat and really think about this: what do you do to win a popularity contest? If you lose the popularity contest how do you do better next time? It's not this.

  • Basically Dems were just out of touch with the most important part of their base until it was too late.

    Which is their consistent problem every election when the prior Republican admin hasn't made a catastrophic fuck-up.

    You can't run on the "we're pro labor" platform and expect the working class to show up for you when your pro labor stance hasn't put money directly into working class pockets since the 1970s or 1980s.

    Where are the big public works programs? Where's the massive government spending that employed millions? That's why labor showed up for Democrats in the 1900s, when there were huge govt contracts that employed organized labor, and it's no surprise at all that when Democrats abandoned those policies labor stopped being reliable supporters.

    You want to run a successful campaign? Talk about the massive public spending that employed hundreds of thousands during your prior admin. Talk jobs. Talk improved standard of living. Talk taxing corporations to pay for those things and voters will hand you a landslide. Democrats are so afraid of taxing corporations to pay for social spending that directly recruits voters to their cause that they're seen as corporate stooges. And honestly, they kinda are at this point.

  • Oh yeah, and after that he had the church of scientology throwing a parade of women at him to see if one would stick.

    He's the textbook old money nepobaby and while I have no qualms about his competence (they prepared him for big money politics extremely well) I don't think he's the change the working class wants to see in America. He certainly hasn't brought much change to CA outside of funding primary education. We haven't even begun to tackle living conditions for the bottom 80% here, he's just a less bad option than whatever unpopular Republican ends up running against him. All of the social reform that actually works (boosting minimum wage, providing single payer healthcare, running cooperative local utilities or tackling corruption) is happening at the city and county level or as a ballot proposition. There's resistance from Sacramento when anyone brings these up as statewide policies.

  • Yes! This is it right here, this is how you grow the fediverse. Props to UoG for figuring this out early! Here's to hoping that other universities catch on that providing Mastodon hosting to their employees and students has more value than offloading all of that discussion onto Twitter or Facebook where it can be shaped by a potentially hostile corporate owner.

  • Lemmy and Mastodon have an equal amount of shitposting and meme content in my experience

  • Lemmy, I like the simple post structure with all related commentary under the original submission.

    Mastodon is fine for people who like it but it's hard to follow the thread of replies as every reply is its own individual post.

    I guess the twatter format makes sense for dashing off quick messages but I find it hard to follow and it's difficult to find communities and topics of interest without also including a shit-ton of noise along with the signal.

  • Newsom isn't neoliberal light, he's about as neoliberal as it's possible to be

  • No, please no. Newsom is a textbook greasy CA neoliberal, a Newsom presidency would do next to nothing for the working class and bring a load of benefits to the wealthy.

    I generally support his policies on education, environmental protection and long term economic stability but his positions on housing, single payer healthcare, corruption and democratic representation are awful.

    So far he's: vetoed a statewide upzoning bill that would get dense housing built statewide near public transit corridors, vetoed ranked preference voting across CA, opposed single payer healthcare and let the CPUC ride roughshod over utility customers and saddle them with PG&E's felonious wildfire liability. The dude is Grey Davis's protege and was basically raised by the Getty family, he's absolutely not the candidate to run in a tight economy where populism is surging.

    Edit: fun fact, we called him Teflon Gavin when he ran San Francisco. Nothing sticks to this guy's PR. Fox news consumers have had 10+y of "commie California's Gavin Newsom" poured into their heads in preparation for his eventual Whitehouse run and that will matter when he presents his slick well-fed wealthy self to middle America.

  • Democrats have absolutely shit messaging and refuse to speak to the working class unless they deign to condescend and you're blaming checks notes "blue MAGA"? What planet are you on?

  • Yeah, this is exactly what I'm saying. You don't win a fucking popularity contest by choosing to ignore 80% of voters or tell them that "we wouldn't do anything differently" after 50y of wage stagnation during a housing crisis.

  • Harris's platform was literally "we'll keep doing the same things that haven't been working for the bottom 85% for 30y" and people are shocked she didn't win the election. This was a referendum on neoliberal business as usual and they lost, hard.

    Will they learn from this or accept any responsibility or change their platform for the next race? Find out over the next couple of weeks as they scramble to find a scapegoat to blame instead of actually thinking about policies that would help the vast majority of the public.

  • Never underestimate the obstruction from establishment Democrats at every level of government. We passed a bill authorizing statewide use of ranked preference voting in CA and our neoliberal democrat governor Gavin Newsom vetoed it. I generally support his policies but this one was a flat out "fuck you" to everyone alienated by the neoliberal business as usual party that runs our state.

  • This election, like every failed election effort since 2000, was a referendum on the democratic party platform: neoliberal business as usual for the top 15% sprinkled with "we're not Republicans"

  • Colloquialism for someone who's easily fooled or taken advantage of

  • You don't need a union to strike, you can self organize and just do it