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  • This and if any business anywhere manages to reache a significant level of success — and has the nerve to charge money for their service — it’s a sign that capitalism doesn’t work and corporations are inherently evil.

    I just assume it’s an age thing.

  • I think you’ve made some assumptions about my position on this…my sense is that we are essentially in agreement, I’m just a bit more willing to stand in the “we simply don’t know…yet” column?

    Yes it deserves study, yes I believe it’s a matter of us not understanding what’s what (and how), not “and then god” or something silly.

  • I can see how magic appears to be creeping in!

    When I think of "magic" in this context, it's the kind of magic that a citizen of the Roman Empire might see at work in viewing a Facetime call on an iPhone. I think the wall we hit in trying to unpack and nail down consciousness is a similar impediment; we simply lack the knowledge, understanding, context, and even language (at least so far) to begin to address it directly.

    We are smart enough to get these questions, but not yet able to answer them. I don't think that means we must somehow use our current understanding of a thing to arrive at comforting explanations; instead, I think that this question in particular is forcing us to admit We Don't Know...and can't even fathom what it might take to actually nail it down. The black and white/color thought experiment is a beautiful allusion to what this unknowing is like, and I think that's where we must be comfortable sitting, at least for now!

    (PS agreed! Love me a good thoughtful disagreement)

  • What exactly is the brain the substrate for?

    That's the question, isn't it!

    I'm not ascribing anything unknown (for now!) to anything magical, I'm simply convinced that remaining agnostic on these ideas is the only honest position to occupy at this time.

    For now, we simply do not know the origins of consciousness. Certainly the brain is at the center of it all, literally, but much of "what it's up to" remains a mystery when it comes to consciousness. Trying to nail it all down (at this point) to biology+physics+whatever reminds me of that old cartoon of a defeated-looking man staring at a giant chalkboard filled with elaborate equations, parted down the middle by the phrase, "and then a miracle occurs..."

  • Altering or tinkering with the substrate will of course alter the ”functioning” of consciousness. This does nothing to demystify or explain its existence; it only proves that it “utilizes” or depends on that substrate.

    If you remove the hands of a brilliant guitarist, you haven’t “proven” that musicality is purely a function of hand structure/mechanics.