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  • okay, there's no getting to you then

    also I didn't mention China

  • yeah, but still, it's the US doing this

    after offering to give Ukraine fucking cluster bombs (and after decades of the US doing the same warcrime shit during every invasion they do), I have zero confidence that they're not going to make the conflict so much worse

  • like I'm not actually communist in any meaningful sense, but they have a point about how brainwashed us Americans are pertaining the military and foreign interventions

    like again, it's not an action movie; we're not fucking heroes in a Saturday morning cartoon; we're a country sending human beings to kill other human beings for almost certainly selfish reasons

    War's not a fucking game, and the US isn't "the savior of the world" either; it's a country that has interests and does things to obtain or sustain those interests, and some of those things include invading other countries (like we did with Vietnam and Korea and Laos and especially the Middle East) and subverting the governments of other countries ( pick a South American country )

    like if you can't understand that nations mainly work in their own interests and that the US has a very old pattern of invading and subverting other countries for that interest as opposed to the countries' own interests for itself, then you basically won't actually be able to understand any kind of foreign policy, especially that of the US's

    it's just baffling that you can genuinely think that the US is a hero in any military situation, after what we've done for decades

  • are they gonna get in trouble for doing it, even if the government finds out?

    probably not, so it's practically legal; and that's kind of the only kind of legality that matters in this case

  • yeah, it really is a mystery

    like if we really had to send weapons, there are so many more that exist that won't cause unfathomably horrific damage that is so horrific that like nearly half of the fucking world considers them warcrimes

    like it's fucking horrid that Russia's using them, but like what the hell is wrong with the US to think "hey, we'll use it too"

    (but then again, the US and Russia did refuse to sign the CCM)

  • Russia should be held accountable in both cases.

    why is this even meaningful in this case

    like now we blame Russia, now what

    Ukraine's still fucked to shit

  • what an embarrassing comment

    this isn't a fucking action movie, people are literally being killed and our military presence will make that so much worse; this isn't the time for us to boost our egos

  • It feels like you're treating the US as a force of nature here, rather than like a nation who is acting in this way because it's convenient and in their interests

    like the US could just like go "hey, please do peace talks, a lot of people are dying", but they're not doing that

    and if the US really is that more powerful than Russia as you say, then they could rather easily start facilitating the above but once again they are not doing that

  • god I wish we didn't live in such interesting times

  • so OP's probably a leftist (like far left, not Democrat) and probably a Marxist; assume when leftists say "liberal" they mean "capitalist" or "status quo"

    so they're saying that the person they're replying to thinks that the status quo narrative is somehow apolitical, and thinks that that's not only flagrantly incorrect and self-absorbed but proving that people like that guy think that their beliefs are just how the world is instead of like actual beliefs that people hold on how the world ought to work (politics)

  • then just cross-reference it with more articles that aren't as biased?

    like all news is biased, that's why you're not supposed to just read one source about a thing

  • I mean, do they?

    like not every place has a grocery store that's easy to get to

  • dude, like you don't even have to be a communist to be aware that the US does propaganda extremely often

  • that's not what they mean

    they mean "America sending troops over to a foreign country to 'save them', and then sending more, and OOPS now we've started a war there and we're already racking up those war crimes, and now the civilians there literally see us as goddamn evil and they're not even wrong to think that way because it turns out that we were basically there mainly doing heinous shit so that the nation was in a position where they kinda had to let us have a share of their resources so rich old white men back home can add an extra 3 zeroes to their bank accounts" was something we literally did for the last 2 decades

    it is very much the one of the likely historical outcomes of "now the US gets militarily involved"

  • but I mean, we did basically that already

    like relatively recently

    in the middle east

  • did you know that sending the goddamn US military there probably is going to make shit so much worse for civilians on both sides?

    like why do you think we're going there for peaceful and benevolent reasons? We have literally never done that before.

  • it kind of tends to be a pattern in retrospect

    US sends troops to other country saying that they're doing it for good and benevolent reasons -> a decade later we find out that they did war crimes there

  • I mean the first issue here is that you think the US government actually gives a shit about humanitarian things; they're doing this because it'll be beneficial to them, not out of the goodness of their heart

    you really need to understand that you can't take the US at its word when it says it's sending soldiers to another country for moral reasons