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I take it you have a different opinion?

No. I'm not. That's like saying that acknowledging the existence of the Chicago Bears means I'm a football fan.

I'm arguing that the establishment exists and there's nothing I can do about it. I'm arguing for despair.

All I have left is harm reduction. Which is also 100% hopeless, but it keeps me from jumping off a building because no matter how ineffective it is, it's fucking something.

If you have a better idea, please. I'm all ears.

So your answer is essentially don't vote, or be really rude with your ballot in protest.

Okay. I can do that.

How does that help? What does it accomplish?

Wow, they've really gone all in on AI. It looks like impressive work! I wish them luck!

This describes me in literally every online argument I've ever had.

Then tell me how we fix it. Tell me what I can do.

Who says I'm okay with it?

I hate it.

I just can't see any way to fix it.

How. How am I doing that? I'm too tires to fight you, I'm just looking for information at this point.

Look, I'm really tired here. And I'm formally apologizing. I have so radically failed at making my point that you think I'm a reactionary. I'm not. I'm utterly convinced that the whole world is completely fucked, and the absolute best we can do is try to tread water as long as we can before drowning. Reacting? To what? To what end? The system's irrevocably broken, I can't do anything about it, so what's the point?

And I'm not particularly smart. I mean, I know some stuff, and I've been through a lot. But smart? Meh. When I was in the Army, I drove a tank for a living. Does that sound like the career choice of a smart man?

I'm just so fucking tired. Please tell me how anything you're doing will help. No sarcasm, I want to know. How do you move forward?

I'll quit shouting. I just don't have the spoons.

the distinction is you keep repeating shit everybody knows, whereas I (and other leftists) are trying to explain you to a new concept

I keep repeating shit because you keep not hearing me. You still think I'm trying to defend the Democratic party. You still think I find the Biden administration defendable. If you understand "lesser of two evils" so well, why do you think I'm trying to defend a party I keep calling evil?

So I'll tell you what, I'll deal with the "new concept" part of what you said when you explain that to me. Once I understand why you think I'm defending a position that I haven't once defended, I might be able to move on.

I tend to repeat myself whenit appears that my audience isn't listening. You're the third person who seemed to think that "lesser of two evils" meant "if one guy's bad, the other guys good." People in this thread keep acting like I'm happy with the Democratic party or something.

So, since it seemed like you didn't understand what I'd said, I repeated myself. I'm pedantic for the same reason: you're either ignoring what I'm saying or don't understand it. Either way, I apparently have to spell it out.

Nice use of the word "esoteric". Did you find that in the word a day calendar this morning? It doesn't really apply here, though, because nothing I've said is esoteric. It's not arcane, obscure, or in any way difficult to understand. And I don't think it is.

I just think you're either being intentionally obtuse to rile me up, or you really don't get what I'm saying.

It's all good, though, dude. I'm tired. I'm just so fucking tired. I've been watching this shit unfold for close to five decades, sometimes while getting shot at, and I'm tired.

I'm mad, but I fucking give up. My position - despair - isn't worth fighting for and I don't know why I briefly thought it was. I fucking surrender.

Let me know how that revolution you guys are never going to have goes.

I'm reading what you're saying, it's just so dumb and trite it might as well be embroidered on a tea cozy

The fact that I feel the same way about you probably indicates that this is a pointless waste of time on all sides.

And what is your vote doing to stop that? Anything at all?

In the Biden election? Nothing. Roe was done for as soon as Trump won. It was on life support, but people refusing to vote for the lesser of two evils pulled the plug.

I'm tired dude. I'm just so fucking tired.

Do what you want. You're not gonna accomplish any more than I am so I'm not sure why I cared enough to get worked up. We're all fucked no matter what. Do your little protest vote or whatever the fuck. I'm sure it's gonna do so fucking much.

Okay.

What word did I say that made you think I'm happy with the Democrats? That I actually support them rather than hate them just marginally less than the fascists in the other party?

It's all fucked. And the Supreme Court was stacked by the last administration, so you're arguing against yourself buddy.

you voted and still got roe v wade overturned.

Roe v Wade got overturned by a Supreme Court that was stacked by the Republicans during the previous administration you absolute waste. You're literally arguing against your own point.

And again: what fucking part of any fucking word I've typed makes you think I'm happy with the Biden administration.

Oh, wait! You're not actually reading anything I'm saying! You're just shifting goalposts and regurgitating talking points! Holy fuck, it's like talking to a communist version of my mother.

Don't talk to me unless you actually know something. Take your useless idealism elsewhere.

Ugh. I'm not pro establishment. People who are pro establishment think it works. People who are pro establishment have hope

Where the fuck did you get that out of what I wrote? Do I sound hopeful? Or like I think the system in any way works?

Or is that just your canned response when someone disagrees with you and you can't think of a decent comeback?

Is that what you kids call a "cope"? It sounds like a "cope". My generation just calls it "What the fuck are you even talking about?"

Edit: Sorry, wrong starting sentence. I meant to say:

Clearly not browbeaten enough.

Lesser of two evils means we're fucked either way, but one way slightly less. It means there are not good choices, just less bad ones. If you sat through the Trump presidency and still think there's no difference, then I don't know what the fuck to tell you. If you can't look at how fucked trans people are in Florida and other red states right now and still say there's no difference, then go fuck yourself.

They're both shit, but one of wants to fucking murder my friends. There's a fucking difference. And if I sound mad, it's because people saying shit like this vote dumbass third parties that can't possibly win, or sit out an election because of protests. People are fucking dead because of this dumbass "there's no difference" bullshit.

You wanna tear down the system and stat over? Fine, great, get going. I'll even help if it looks like you might have a prayer. But right now, there is no hope. There's just mitigation of harm. Your idealism gets people killed.

I agree with everything but the "it makes no difference" part. Thinking it makes no difference is a privilege a whole shit ton of people can't afford.

They're both horrible. Capitalism sucks. But to say there's no difference? That's just delusional. You're missing the trees for the forest.

Until that "true change" you're talking about happens, I'm not willing to sit by and let women, immigrants, minorities, and LGBTQIA+ people get fucked over even worse than I am. And fuck you if you are.

You don't seem to know what "lesser of two evils" means.

It doesn't mean "that guy's bad, so the less evil guy is good, actually, and totally deserves our support!"

It means "no matter which one of these assholes wins, I'm fucked, but if I'm lucky the one guy will use lube."

I can't do a damn thing about the two party system. That ship sailed before I was born, and nothing I do as an individual can change it. In fact, I can't see a solution short of possibly violent revolution. If that happens before I'm to old and feeble to help, great. Other wise, I'm fucked no matter who I pick, so I'm sure as shit going to pick the one who just wants to fuck me and not fuck me plus kill my trans neighbor.

I'm sick and tired of being called stupid, gullible, or uninformed just because I can actually see how completely fucked we are. Your shit is great for people who still have hope. My shit is just trying to survive without the Gestapo coming for my neighbors.

So come get me for the revolution. In the meantime, stop calling me stupid for being depressed and practical.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to copy and paste this in reply to some other lemming that thinks I'm a gullible moron instead.

You don't seem to know what "lesser of two evils" means.

It doesn't mean "that guy's bad, so the less evil guy is good, actually, and totally deserves our support!"

It means "no matter which one of these assholes wins, I'm fucked, but if I'm lucky the one guy will use lube."

I can't do a damn thing about the two party system. That ship sailed before I was born, and nothing I do as an individual can change it. In fact, I can't see a solution short of possibly violent revolution. If that happens before I'm to old and feeble to help, great. Other wise, I'm fucked no matter who I pick, so I'm sure as shit going to pick the one who just wants to fuck me and not fuck me plus kill my trans neighbor.

I'm sick and tired of being called stupid, gullible, or uninformed just because I can actually see how completely fucked we are. Your shit is great for people who still have hope. My shit is just trying to survive without the Gestapo coming for my neighbors.

So come get me for the revolution. In the meantime, stop calling me stupid for being depressed and practical.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to copy and paste this in reply to some other lemming that thinks I'm a gullible moron instead.

I have to say, the quality of the English translation doesn't seem great at first glance... but between offline, no tracking, and open source, this is wonderful. Keep up the good work!