Okay you’ve refused to acknowledge or read my more important points so it appears you don’t want a conversation with perseverations on your agenda. Good luck.
All of your comments are naive and ignorant and have no factual basis. In fact, I’ve pointed out specific quotes in your own references that prove you completely wrong which you have refused to acknowledge.
Dude, he linked an article to me that he thought proved his point and I quoted THAT ARTICLE which completely disagreed with him. That's not an ad hominem.
These things already happen to an insane degree, which is good. Others are using this argument to either jump to the conclusion that it's man made or that we should shut down all coronavirus research. There is a clear distinction between these thoughts that are being intentionally blurred by those with an agenda.
More the weakness to UV would be common for lab strains among other traits
What do you mean by this? This doesn't make any sense. Lab strains mutate just like wild type. If you expose a viral to mutagenic factors (ie UV) it creates mutations that 99.9% of the time cause the virus to be non viable.
First of all, "gain of function" viral and bacterial research has been a critical part of research for DECADES. There is absolutely no connection nor sequence relationship between ANY of gain of function research done in Wuhan and COVID-19. ALL the fears are hypothetical. Meanwhile, this type of research is the basis for all kinds of medical and research advances for the last 30 years (gene replacement, stem cells, siRNA, on and on).
Second, you don't have a clue how NIH funding works. Grants are submitted to COMMITTEES at the NIH. Fauci was NEVER head of NIH, but even if he was he would have no awareness of nor control over these grants and funding. It's not a dictatorship and one person absolutely cannot determine if a grant gets funded. It's an incredibly arduous process that takes years and many many scientists reviewing and debating the facts and merits of the proposal, including safety protocols. Think peer review times 100. So to claim that Fauci should be held "criminally liable" is laughably ignorant.
NONE of the sequence altering research in the Wuhan lab had any relationship from a sequence perspective to COVID19. Every credible scientist acknowledges that. Is it possible that the wild type virus was being studied in the lab and somehow got out of the lab vs in the wild? Yes, it's possible. Does it matter? No, it does not. It was going to happen and IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN. Meanwhile, people like you make ignorant fear claims that are getting research labs shut down. The same labs, like Jason McClellan's lab at Dartmouth that did 10 years of research altering the mRNA sequence of the spike protein so that it would be accurately presented as an antigen that gave us the vaccine in 11 months. Without this "gene altering" research that could be interpreted as "scary", we probably still wouldn't have a vaccine.
it’s not difficult to believe that the evolution of the virus was influenced by humans.
Only for the ignorant. This is how research has worked for decades. Even the CIA (who are not scientists) have "low confidence". Since when does "low confidence" mean it happened or you believe it??
All sequence data, wild type virus, and previous research history clearly show this virus existed in nature and because it is a highly mutable RNA virus, was able to infect humans. No credible scientist says otherwise. Let's be clear - if they were studying the virus in a lab and it "got out" from the lab or from the wild what difference does it make? This is NOT a man made virus and to make the leap to that is just plain ignorance.
So the ignorant human response is to shut down all research on viruses because of the fear of it being "man made". The result? When this happens again in 3 or 100 years (which it will), we will have no R&D to lean on LIKE WE DID FOR THE COVID19 VACCINE. We've ALREADY discovered a number of viruses in the wild that are likely to mutate and cause another pandemic. We should be celebrating research because the previous decade of work on antigen presentation of the spike protein gave us a vaccine in 11 months that we would otherwise likely not have EVEN TODAY.
I guess this is why ancient civilizations had human sacrifice when there was an eclipse. The stupid scared ignorant people determined public policy.
Lololol. Double down on stupidity then. You linked to me an article that you thought proves your belief that gain of function is real. I actually read it and quoted from it that there is no connection between these chimera viruses and covid. That is what we call a bitch slap dumbass.
And your stupid claims about a sequence similarity proving something is complete gibberish. That sequence is irrelevant to infectivity - the opinion piece says it! We see identical sequences all the time anyway. It’s complete gibberish and just exposes how little you understand. Stay in your lane and stop spreading lies.
lol I see you’ve admitted defeat. Move on to someone more gullible for your ignorant bullshit conspiracy theories. I’ve provided more than enough facts to debunk your house of cards.
It is insane how many comments here believe that humans somehow made COVID-19 in a lab and leaked it. It is obvious and clear that the critical sequences responsible for the jump to humans exist in wild type form in nature. In fact, the critical spike protein sequence is so similar between coronavirus that the antigen work which the vaccine was based upon was done BEFORE COVID-19 in Jason McClellan’s lab at Dartmouth.
This WILL happen again, and conspiracy theories that have now shut down labs and funding are likely to cause millions of lost lives next time. We got lucky and the tinfoil hats are going to guarantee we’ll be unlucky next time.
And I see you’ve added another link from a non peer reviewed bullshit article that claims some similarity in sequence proves it’s human made? You are an idiot. Let me be clear: the critical spike protein sequence is so similar between other coronavirus that the critical work in designing a presentable antigen responsible for vaccine development was already done by Jason McClellan’s lab at Dartmouth before COVID-19 happened. That mRNA sequence was licensed by both Pfizer and Moderna.
Basic science research of coronavirus saved millions of lives because the critical hard and time consuming work had already been done.
This will happen again. And your bullshit conspiracy have gotten research shut down that may cost millions of lives.
Wrong. Proof or STFU. Wild type exists with the critical sequence. COVID-19 was not created in a lab. We’ve known that for years. Your ignorance doesn’t prove your paranoia.
This is a lie. Sequence analysis was done extensively early on and the critical spike protein changes exist in nature. In fact, that’s what the previous 10 years of research which the vaccine was based upon was done on MERS. Proof or STFU. Your ignorance of biology does not prove your paranoia.
This is absolutely a lie and is obvious based upon sequence analysis. Coronavirus is one of the most mutagenic in existence. Wild type has already been identified multiple times with the same spike protein changes.
Your concern is not valid to a competent molecular biologist because it’s not relevant biologically.