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But that is their dream for the future. Purely automatically managing the populace as some sort of a farm.

It's an arms race. Like at any other point in history. Between those who think personal dignity and freedom and equality are a mistake of history or a device to keep the herd patient, and that they deserve to rule, and those who don't.

The good part is that this has already been tried. A fast system with deadlocks is not that different from a slow system with deadlocks. And a big redundant system deterministically degrading in itself is not that different from a smaller less redundant system deterministically degrading in itself. No USSR and no Nazi Germany anymore on the map.

The parts about lying and false pretense of law and democracy are new, but not too much - rulers of Frederic the Great's time had false pretenses of knightly behavior and following imperial mechanisms. One can even compare 30 years war to our two world wars in the sense of creating a new world order, which was considered impossible to change due to endless horrors following that, but eventually become a farce.

I suppose they shut down mobile internet. That doesn't make news because wire is normal here.

Also there seem to be tests of DPI and filtering systems now by many ISPs in many places, because apparently Russia is going GFW.

That is apparently going to have competition soon.

But ... yeah. Operating via satellites is profitable for sparsely populated areas, operating via wire - for densely populated ones. In addition to that Earth's orbit is not under anyone's sovereignty.

Both have their uses, but, I think, in locations in a developed country with old infrastructure because it's not profitable, - this means there won't be any.

The sad part is that if, say, I want to have unabused Internet connectivity from Russia, a Starlink terminal is not my solution, cause Elon still wants to be friends with those obnoxious people. And also if it were a solution, a terminal could be triangulated and my ass would meet a soldering iron. Maybe not, but some fines.

Well, the majority hates autists more than narcissists and will probably approach that task first, so that people like me wouldn't exist. And it still hasn't. So this is a very remote possibility.

Narcissism (NPL) is inherited and it's not learned. It's a DSM condition.

If you mean just being a jerk, then that doesn't look like this. That looks like Eichmann.

Must be something with psychopaths, for all I know about it was very important to have many children.

Stronger primal instincts maybe, and not augmented by responsibility or fear or love.

In appearances he seems to be real. Culturally quite typical for those jerks who are Russia's elite now, except their older generation holding power kinda hides that.

Durov is the intermediate generation, gross, but trying to pretend. I don't know if he was born to such a family (KGB/FSB/nomenclature relatives, getting a good education as a mathematician would check out then) or accepted into their, eh, society seems too strong a word.

It's like a network of thieves recognizing each other by their particular kind of behavior. There's too many of them to firmly know they are talking to one of their own, so that behavior and approach to life is all it takes to be perceived as one of them.

(I know you won't believe me, but they think that signature behavior is aristocratic or whatever, talking in Esopean language, dropping hints, not looking you in the eyes, cold faces, being silent and not talking a lot, fish eyes ; there are people with actual noble ancestry in Russia, they do have sort of a common approach to right behavior, and that's basically the opposite of this - talking to the other person directly, if making hints, then making it obvious that it's a metaphor, not trying to show contempt or threat in their face, being clear and honest, at least in appearances.)

Their part of my generation is just shit from the ass. Cunning and more evil, but no class or wisdom at all. I mean, there's a saying "order beats class", but they can have order only in ideal conditions too. Using bigger expense to imitate an achievement by smaller expense, which wouldn't be a compliment to their abilities even if it were real. What's worst is they don't even understand it.

Though this is where I must share one thing I've learned from them - you can imitate a level much higher than yours. You may have no taste, but read and imitate the taste of people who you want to deceive, and succeed. You may not know some domain area, but deceive those who do. Not have deeper understanding of some important mechanism, but imitate a person who does to those who do.

A thought similar to LLM bots in some sense. So - they are dangerous.

AI slop poisoning is value too. The more everything is poisoned by it, the less useful things trained on new data are. The poison spreads in many ways, it's not something that can be removed.

It's important for prevention of totalitarianism driven by such technologies in the future.

So I honestly hope it kills the bullshit web and we'll be back to small communities based on personal ties, where the person making the rules is the webmaster you know, not an anonymous moderator or a bot. That's killing two birds with one stone, no downsides whatsoever.

It's basically a frontend to VK with functionality like that of Telegram.

Funny how much you can do if you do it slowly. Say, if 10 years ago someone would say all of Russia is moving to the only state-approved IM which is the same as VK, I think there'd be riots, LOL, even in Russia, LOL, it'd be like blocking all porn.

Since TG is most likely compromised, I think this won't be a significant change really.

Not being able to use WA for voice calls would suck though.

In many cases it's both.

This is wrong. Psychopaths feel themselves just fine in the society and usually don't become school shooters.

Shooting up bullies is a very crude solution, one that a psychopath usually doesn't need.

In any case most of school shootings I've read about were connected to bullying, and bully lives don't matter. Don't bully, don't get killed.

A psychopath usually plans their murders, so they'll do just fine with a heavy sharp object or a reactive not intended for food getting into food. A psychopath will also be on the convenient side of any socially approved action.

I've recently fully realized that I've met a high quality psychopath once.

Things which were obvious for any paranoid I2P user 15 years ago, and were being discussed in Freenet 20 years ago, and by cypherpunks 30 years ago, are again new and unexpected.

See, you can murder people in the open if you can make it comfortable enough for everyone to ignore it.

Surveillance and censorship should be scarier, because without them you can cry out about the murderer or avoid strategic disadvantage against the murderer, but are not - most people haven't been in real danger they understood. And even if they were - suppose that's already happening, people are being murdered in the open, censorship and surveillance happen, and the latter causes more outrage, - we all can see nobody cares enough to pay with a few bruises for opposing it, not just their living, health, life.

Here we are.

"... it'll be the same, but it's a huge honor to work on this project in our company."

School shooters usually use it as their last resort. Bullying of autistic kids is the main problem. Them finding such an exit is a secondary one.

The nations that decide that bombing anyone in the Middle East is lawful when they are doing it.

Also the nations that decide that Kosovo has to be independent, but this is not a precedent for anyone else.

Arabs and Turks ethnically cleansing Arabs, Kurds, Assyrians, Yazidis, Armenians is fine. But a few Slavic peoples murdering each other because of religion warrant an exceptional intervention. But Mustafa Kemal is a good guy.

Russians are to blame for their government's actions and have to be banned from payment systems and visiting EU countries. But Russians who work in the government and their family members can live in EU countries half the time and more. That's justified by "killing Russia's economy for the war", except Russia's war is not funded by taxes from citizens paying and accepting payments for shit with MC and Visa. Russia's war is funded by oil and gas trade. Or by "punishing Russians and making them change the regime", which is very funny, because the people actually part of the regime are not "punished" this way, they are also the exact group that should be "punished" for good effect, and we the rest kinda see that and don't have huge sympathies to the narratives of people doing such stuff.

Also about Russia - those nations would decide that Putin's and Yeltsin's regimes are nice and legitimate and democratic when they were limited to destroying Russia itself. Again, now every Russian is retroactively to blame for those years as well, except those they were dealing with.

And it's the same everywhere, if there's an authoritarian regime - then just like with businesses, it's sort of a profitable endeavor. And the process making it profitable happens in the western countries. It's one system in which their elites have that cozy spot of hypocritically accusing everyone other than themselves of the processes they create. A continuation of the colonial system, too continuous and similar to even use the "neo" prefix.

That they are mostly democracies is not real republicanism, at least not in the last 20 years. It's a sign of luxury - look, we can afford such magnificent Colosseum shows that our populace is well controlled even under pretense of democracy. The countries higher in that hierarchy play democracy more, the countries lower in it - less.

Say, Iran's regime is unfortunate, but calling it less democratic than UK would be preposterous. It has more crime and corruption, true. But maybe the fact that Iran's appearance of democracy is above what it's "allowed" is not a smaller reason for the violence against it, than any fears of it attaining a nuke.

... I'd rather listen to what DPRK, IRI, PRC, even Turkey's leadership have to say on what's civilized and what's not. Everyone is better than NATO&EU. Russia's ... eh, I've met some people too close to that, they stink too much, quite westernized one can say.

The world would be a safer place if not only every country had nukes, but also every adult citizen had a farm of combat drones.

I personally don't want to hear of NATO&allies lecturing everyone else morals. Tired of that. And I understand why in ex-USSR the perception of them like some global good guys was common - the reaction to very invasive and obnoxious and irritating Soviet propaganda.

I don't understand how people in the west can believe that.

Anyway, no intelligent person from the west I've talked to did, so ... kinda as it should be.

That's usually hereditary and the parents won't want such action.

From the inside - yes, what I meant is that British society is often seen favorably from the outside.

And the comparison to Russia is maybe because this was one of the pictures imagined when thinking "how does a society look when fixed", and the Russian society sees itself as broken, that feels recent, but isn't.

And that picture still affects other societies.

He thought it was a two way relationship, he didn’t understand Russia viewed it as a one way relationship.

That's the problem with Russia's regime.

It's still people born in the USSR with the typical Soviet person's thinking - they say all the right things, but act differently eventually.

You can live alongside such a person for many years and think that their personality is real, but that's because USSR's society was created this way. It took ignorant peasants and workers and street food sellers and taught them professions requiring deeper understanding than they had, by direction, by order. That means those people just developed imitation skills of amazing quality.

Those looking like engineers and scientists can be found to covertly go to fortunetellers and be antivaxxers. Those looking like rock musicians can be found, like Kipelov, to be covertly USSR-nostalgic and conformist. Those looking like artists with some peaceful and humanist themes, like Makarevitch, can be later found in Israel living in a mansion in place of a burnt Arab village.

And so fucking on.

So, in case of Putin, they had that appearance of scary-scary mafia or smart-smart group of deep-state-secretly-serial-murderer-ex-intelligence-KGB-patriotic-brain types, but over time their inner essence too becomes visible, as they get old. And it was all a pretense too. It's all fake. They have killed many people, they do drugs trade, they torture people in prisons, they do everything for it to seem real, but without understanding. They just imitate the picture they saw in movies, books, gossip, of others doing it.

In fact they are a group of komsomol woodcutter team leaders or kolkhoz directors who got to a higher place than was ever intended for them. All they can is to voluntell a bunch of people to go cut trees. They have fewer and fewer people over years and they terribly mismanage the forest they have, but there are too many people and the forest is too big for them to notice. At the same time they are able to steal, which is enough for them.

They don't really understand what diplomacy means, or what war means, or what strategy is. They don't understand why their side of the deal should be fulfilled. They didn't conclude that many big deals in these 30 years.

If they did, then Trump's expectation would make perfect sense.