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  • I don't really understand. It's not a position I hold so it's not a conclusion I wish to make. If you believe killing animals for meat is a violation of a fundamental right, it's also a violation of that right to use other animal products.

    I find endorsement for more restrictive diets for environmental or utilitarian(reduce animal suffering) reasons to be fine. If, however, you believe that eating meat is murder because animals have a right to live, it's disingenuous not to be vegan.

  • What I'm saying is, even on a small farm, you need to cull male chicks and unproductive hens to feed yourself, not even considering feeding other people. That's how it's always worked since the domestication of the chicken.

    Most small farmers buy chicks that are already sexed for this reason.

  • If you believe animals have a fundamental right to life, you logically must be vegan. Full stop. I believe in preventing suffering of animals, but I don't believe they have a fundamental right to life.

    Edit: I want to give a side example of milk production without killing unproductive animals/males. In India, since BJP vigilantes will attack farmers transporting animals to slaughter, farmers instead abandon their cows, which usually die from dehydration or disease and sometimes wander the streets of the cities. There are consequently way more stay bulls attacking people at random as well. I honestly think that practice is worse than killing the cattle.

  • Pretty wild! I suppose it’s efficient or they wouldn’t be doing it.

    Seems to be, considering they are running several juice ships pretty much constantly. I imagine well handled frozen juice concentrate has a lower chance to spoil than whole fruit and takes up a lot less space, but packaging it in Brazil just to transport it to Australia isn't worth it compared to shipping the juice, putting it on trucks, and letting Australia package it.

  • not murdering them for food

    I'm a meat eater, but your axioms are vegan. Fundamentally you cannot create an egg laying operation without culling male chicks. You cannot have milk without impregnating and taking the babies away from heifers. You cannot manage a herd/flock without culling animals in general. Animal husbandry explicitly denies the rights you ascribe to animals. As I said, though, I do not ascribe those rights to them.