robbinhood @ robbinhood @lemmy.world

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We had two: Kamala Harris or Donald Trump.

This is a fact as plain as the world is round. What are you even trying to do?

Nah, it's a situation where if forced to choose between 5 people dying and 25 people dying, I'll go with 5. Obviously, I would rather no one die, but that's not one of the choices.

And in this case, Americans literally did choose, electing a man who will not flinch at greatly increased deaths.

I think the real answer, and what could actually hurt Tesla, is flooding the market with cheap used Teslas. If you don't care about the politics and optics and are looking to buy a Tesla, you might be able to pick up a gently used one at a major discount. This could drive buyers away from show rooms and new cars, which could cripple Tesla.

To be clear, I do not support attacking or harassing Tesla owners. Doing so will only swell the ranks of the alt-right.

The Biden administration, and pretty much every US administration's stance on the Israel-Palestine issue leaves a lot to be desired. But Trump is absolutely going to drop the bar and lots of Palestinians are going to pay the price for that.

As bad as things were under Biden, that administration always wanted to avoid high body counts. The Trump administration will look at high body counts and then attaboy Bibi.

Roughly 50,000 Gazans died during the last phase of the war. That is an absolute tragedy, but the Trump administration could see that number grow by multiples and they'll probably view it as a good thing.

We traded a wolf for a rabid lion and that is going to have consequences.

And I wish you the worst of luck in your efforts to swell the alt-right's ranks!

It's hilarious that you think that you are fighting against the Nazis. Nah, you're just one of their pawns.

Fuck Musk, I hope he gets what he deserves. Fuck Tesla, I would never buy one, not any more. But I'm not going to be an unwitting supporter of their long-term goals.

The alt-right is making obvious plays following well-known playbooks, and you're lapping it up, doing exactly what they want you to do.

what in my comment in any way justifies this response? Yes, I'm familiar with how this is used on Reddit.

Do you actually have anything to say or?

Yeah guys you realize that many, probably most Tesla owners bought their cars before Musk fully took off the mask right? Now I know all the lemmies have unlimited cash and would have sold their Tesla at a loss and bought another vehicle, but outside of Lemmy a lot of people are on tight budgets.

I'd be disappointed if family or friends bought Tesla at this point or anytime in the last two'ish years but wanting to "destroy families" and "end careers" is absolutely nuts and is only going to play into the alt-right's hands.

Safe bet that over the next few days some middle of the road suburban mom or dad is going to get accosted and perhaps attacked for driving a Tesla. Then shortly after the alt-right is going to be chatting with suburban parent saying "yeah the left, they're crazy right?"

And guess what? The alt-right will grow by at least 1, and probably more as suburban parent drags their spouse, kids, and parents into the alt-right.

Sadly, we're going to see Israel unchained under Trump. The Biden administration would have been on the phone first thing, pressuring them to ease up. The Trump administration will be on the phone taking orders for missiles.

This is a complex situation and there's plenty of fault to pass around to all the major geopolitical players involved, but Trump is going to simplify this into "Israel good" "Palestine die."

I think the best move would have been a substantial but firm and respectful break was the way to go forward.

If Kamala pushes back too hard against Joe, the establishment will question whether she grateful for his support and the opportunity he provided.

You're not going to like this, but the facts bear out: Palestinian leaders are complicit in all of this. They could have accepted a peace deal under Clinton decades ago and they'd have their own country right now. Palestinians have caused trouble in Jordan, Egypt, and elsewhere, which is why Arab nations in the ME are sometimes nearly as wary and as restricted on borders as Israel.

There are lots and lots of bad actors in Israel too, with Bibi chief among them. The USA, meanwhile, has typically done the bare minimum to restrain either side and has typically provided too much support IMO to Israel, ultimately enabling them.

This is not a black and white issue that it often gets boiled down to, with offending camps believing they are 100% the victims/right while the otherside is 100% evil/aggressor.

As for using violence, also keep in mind that if you throw punches, people will punch back. Picking a fight with a far, far more powerful force is going to result in you getting your ass kicked.

While I abhor how heavily Israel obliterated Gaza, I can also tell you that it was the inevitable outcome once Hamas and their allies starting (allegedly)cooking babies in ovens and mass mudering peaceful concert goers.

If someone going to use violence, understand that your opponents are going to use it too. Don't throw a punch and then cry because you (not you specifically, but people generally) got your ass beat.

disrupt supply chains? Sure. Kill innocent civilians? Honestly, probably I would want them to kill whoever to save me, but I'd know that I was morally wrong, if not outright evil.

The mass violence experienced by the Palestinians has been horrific. The October 7th attack was barbaric. Prior actions in recent times by Israel helped pave the way for that attack. Ditto for Hamas. There certainly are and were evil persons among Hamas. Likewise, there are evil people in Israel in high places.

I want to tell myself that there's no way in hell they would let this happen, let alone make it happen.

Then I remember it's the DNC.

To be honest, this is just a signal that she probably wouldn't have been a good leader. Better than Trump, sure, but that bar is so low it's a tripping hazard.

She should have told Biden to pound sand after locking up the nomination.

But we should verify the claim before passing judgement.

"They are the people with influence in the governments committing genocides."

And the civilians who are actually targeted are not the ones who can influence governments.

And the attacks on the boats are not going to cause much damage to the billionaires. If the attacks reach the point that the billionaires are going to be hurt, the USA military will step in.

The people actually shouldering must of the impact are innocent civilians, primarily from developing countries, who actually main the boats.

We are the heroes of our own stories but, and I am sorry if this is rude, it's straight up gross that you're here trying to justify attacking neutral, innocent, largely unarmed, and financially constrained civilians.

I really hope you can arrive at the point where you can look back on this and realize how messed up this position is.

Yeah, and it's a shame that people, especially from developing countries, are forced into these situations due to economic realities.

Stop mentioning the billionaires. They are not important in this conversation. They are not on the the ships, and the only impact these events have on them is pushing up insurance prices and other costs but even that is a drop in the bucket.

And stop acting like you're some sort of hero. Given your position, I highly doubt you actually care any more about these workers then then billionaires. Both you and them seem to be looking at 'em as disposable.

What does any of that have to do with with the workers on the boats? Most of whom come from developing countries and are just trying to feed their families?

Astounding.

yeah, robin hood wasn't out attacking innocent people.

We're all the heroes in our own story but you're sitting here trying to defend attacking innocent civilians. I hope some day you're able to realize how messed up that is.

Did Robin Hood go out and pepper innocent people with arrows? Was that the moral of the story?

Most ship crew members come from neutral developing countries, such as the Philippines. Maybe their lives don't mean much to you, but they mean a lot to me. Sorry, I'm never going to condone attacking innocent civilians.

well, I dunno, maybe not blockade?