rglullis @ rglullis @communick.news

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Thank you for creating a community in a topic-specific instance!

Not necessarily "Lemmy matures". It could also be:

• ActivityPub software starts supporting DID to allow migration of identities.
• ACtivityPub adopts some ideas from nostr and turns the server into a simple message relay.

Which then could let the lemm.ee admins to bring back the server - or offer a way for users to checkout their actor keys, etc, etc...

Hosting a static website is virtually free. All that static JSON is going to amount to a few gigabytes of data, you can compress to save up to an order of magnitude. I can bet you that I can store all of lemm.ee's data (and media!) on Storj for less than $20/month.

Do we expect every single user to assess all of the toxic communities

No, I want users to have access to a list of pre-curated communities and let them customize it to their liking, like what Fediverser does.

In the same way that defederation is an admin-level decision impacting all of the userbase

Defederation is a bad way to manage conflict. It is a nuclear option that should be taken only when the offending instance (as a whole) is malicious. To stretch this "my server, my rules" philosophy further is bad design.

Good admins are like good janitors. They are not there to enforce behavior top-down.

I forgot that you are selective with your tolerance with hyperbole.

I mean features about customizing behavior ("Trump Musk filter", "Vote weighting") and the things where the data is publicly available but hidden only for admins, like "Attitude and Reputation scoring".

It seems like every single one of those features are just settings that could (and should) be implemented client-side, and left up to the user who wants to have control over their experience.

Vocata is great as a concept, but not practical at all. Even the developer of the project agrees. If you know your way around Python and/or Javascript, you might be interested be interested in my ActivityPub Toolkit project, though.

As instances are currently structured, they are tied to web domain, and actually owned by somebody somewhere. That somebody has a level of commitment having setup hosting and configured the server itself, and likely to want to not lose their toys

In this system, the people that simply want to access the web MUST trust the server owner and the people that want to have full control over their identity MUST setup their own server.

This is complex, fragile, expensive and a huge barrier of entry. Just this week the admins of the second largest lemmy instance are closing down their server and 5000 people are left with no choice but to move on from their identity and find a new home.

Email doesn't have that. The WWW doesn't have that. Phone networks doesn't have that. Bluesky doesn't have that.

The communities were created, it doesn't mean that they have people using them. I'm just hoping now that the people will be forced to move out of lemm.ee that maybe this change can be done to these topic-specific instances.

I will repeat my comment from yesterday.

the following communities have already an alternative on instances that I run

• !artporn@lemm.ee -> !artporn@sfw.community
• !football@lemm.ee -> !football@soccer.forum
• !keitrucks@lemm.ee -> !keitrucks@gearhead.town
• !monitors@lemm.ee -> !monitors@hardware.watch

All these instances have been running for close to two years and are part of the “topic-specific” network of servers that I set up to help during the migration.

Communick aligns 100% with sunaurus's views regarding defederation. I've put a special offer for those who want to try it: https://lemm.ee/post/65961634

But if you mean only the implementation, you could very well be correct, knowing so much more than I about such.

Yeah, that's what I mean. I've written a series of blog posts about it.

Should I add an entry for metacritics or should you?

The following communities have already an alternative on instances that I run:

• !television@lemm.ee -> !television@metacritics.zone
• !movies@lemm.ee -> !movies@metacritics.zone
• !artporn@lemm.ee -> !artporn@sfw.community
• !football@lemm.ee -> !football@soccer.forum
• !keitrucks@lemm.ee -> !keitrucks@gearhead.town

All these instances have been running for close to two years and are part of the "topic-specific" network of servers that I set up to help during the migration.

To be completely honest, my dislike of AP server software is not restricted to PieFed. I think all of them are an evolutionary dead end and I wish we stopped wasting our time trying to emulate closed social networks.

So what’s the point of voting since we don’t know its reasons ?

Don't overcomplicate this. Voting is a way to collectively curate content. If it is relevant to the community and you feel the content is a positive addition to the community, you vote up. If you think it's a negative addition, you vote it down. That's all that there is to it.

that people prefer to post on other instances than yours.

This again?

Even if I had never created any of the topic-specific instances and I all I had was Communick as an user instance. How many instances have we both seem go down? How many admins have you seen showing up full of enthusiasm to burn out some months/years later? Why is it that my manage to keep my (few) users satisfied with the service? Why is it that I don't feel overworked?

I'm not talking with other "people". I'm talking with you. You raised every possible objection against what I am doing. Yet, it keeps growing. Slower than I'd hoped, but growing. It has been self-sustaining. But you continue to look for ways to discredit me.

There have been discussions about how to implement this before. But it has to be done in a way that is agreed by other threadiverse software.

I think we should move away from "threadiverse software" and embrace a transparent social web.

If we want to be transparent, we need to stop creating these leaky abstractions. Votes are not private. A vote on Lemmy is just a Like, a downvote is just a dislike. Instead of pretending this information should be private, we should make it clear to the users that they should only react in anyway if they feel comfortable in sharing their opinion in public.

• It qualifies as activity. People are posting when it matters to them.
• It still is unrelated to the point. The point is that you keep betting on donation-based instances because you want them to succeed, yet history is (repeatedly) showing it to you that these bets are not good.

• The flair part does not federate.
• They send fake (non-existing) actor ids for votes to obfuscate the identity of the real user. It is "compliant", but completely against the spirit of a public social network.
• Every proposal that I've seen from them had ActivityPub as an afterthought. Creating "Feed" as a type of Actor, using a special formatted type of message to share ip addresses of abusers for "spam mitigation" even before considering a simple usage of the Flag activity, etc.

I am not saying they have bad intentions. I am just saying that they prefer to develop things that work for them first and for the rest of the Fediverse second.